Domesticated/Feral/Introduced Species

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Domesticated/Feral/Introduced Species
Topic Started: May 29 2008, 07:32 PM (3,875 Views)
Livyatan	May 29 2008, 07:32 PM Post #1
Posts: 1,998 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 24, 2008 Area of expertise: Future Evolution Favorite Quote: "Knowledge never springs from faith. It springs from doubt." - Humayun Azad Nationality: American	This topic is for the discussion of domesticated/feral/introduced species and their roles in future ecosystems. Just so you have some basis for discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestication http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduced_species
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Carlos	May 31 2008, 04:32 PM Post #2
Adveho in me Lucifero Posts: 11,702 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: May 31, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: Portugayse Favorite Quote: Blame is the playing of children and is given to many like a gift that cannot be returned. Acceptance is the tool of the mature that is rarely loaned out.	Some animals, like rabbits and pigs, will certainly be very successfull and occupy several eccological niches. Others, like dogs, will probably be outcompeted.
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Livyatan	May 31 2008, 04:37 PM Post #3
Posts: 1,998 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 24, 2008 Area of expertise: Future Evolution Favorite Quote: "Knowledge never springs from faith. It springs from doubt." - Humayun Azad Nationality: American	I agree. Dogs live wolves will likely go extinct in the next few million years. The more adaptable coyote and fox species will likely replace them in many areas. For pigs not to succeed in the future is just wishful thinking. Pigs have proved their adaptability and have been introduced nearly everywhere except Antarctica. Sheep and goats are a lot less adaptable and as certain cleared areas return to forests and other environments simply give out, their millenia are numbered in most areas. What I mean by give out is that many regions cannot support the destructiveness of sheep; sheep tear out plants and are a major part of the desertification of Africa, Australia, etc.
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Flisch	May 31 2008, 04:41 PM Post #4
Superhuman Posts: 3,118 Group: Members Member #3 Joined: May 28, 2008 Nationality: Terran	Aren't goats the ones tearing out plants? I think sheep are only eating the top of the grass like a lawnmower.
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Livyatan	May 31 2008, 04:44 PM Post #5
Posts: 1,998 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 24, 2008 Area of expertise: Future Evolution Favorite Quote: "Knowledge never springs from faith. It springs from doubt." - Humayun Azad Nationality: American	Flisch May 31 2008, 04:41 PM Aren't goats the ones tearing out plants? I think sheep are only eating the top of the grass like a lawnmower. Goats and sheep both do it. I think it is because they originate from alpine regions where plants have strong roots to anchor themselves in mountainous soil. Or the soil itself is why the plants are hard to pull out. But anyway, both goats and sheep are destructive to non-mountainous regions in that manner.
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pantheraleo3	May 31 2008, 11:25 PM Post #6
I'm illegal in 17 states! Posts: 197 Group: Members Member #7 Joined: May 31, 2008 Nationality: Mexican Favorite Quote: An eye for an eye.... makes us all blind	I think that animals like dogs (specially toy dogs) and cats will become extinct since they don't know anymore how to survive in the wild. (Probably some cats are gonna make it but that's just my opinion)



Ànraich	May 31 2008, 11:52 PM Post #7
L'évolution Spéculative est moi Posts: 9,258 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: May 27, 2008	I imagine most dogs will go extinct, unless they interbreed with other canines that will survive (like wolves or coyotes). Cats will probably not only survive but flourish. Unlike dogs, cats do not develop a reliance on humans for food or shelter. Cats are technically non-domestic animals, just very friendly and good at getting what they want. They're intelligent, social, and they learn quickly. I haven't fed my cat in months, and he gets along fine eating whatever he can catch. Trust me, they'll survive. Most cats live in cities anyways, the biggest threat to wild house cats is humans who will catch them and put them up for adoption. About my cat, I have an excuse for the lack of feeding. I live with my grandparents (they're not really old, they're not even retired yet), and my grandmother has horrible animal hair allergies. That being said, the cat cannot be inside, not even to be fed (we have two year old babies too, and the cat isn't declawed). We can't leave food out for it, they're are too many animals like skunks, raccoons, and badgers that will linger around wanting food and pose a threat to my community. He'll eat pests like rodents and birds, so it's all good.
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Livyatan	Jun 1 2008, 12:03 AM Post #8
Posts: 1,998 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 24, 2008 Area of expertise: Future Evolution Favorite Quote: "Knowledge never springs from faith. It springs from doubt." - Humayun Azad Nationality: American	Domestic cats have many things going for them: near perfect catch rate, the simple feline body plan (so easy to be molded into something new), adaptability to a variety of habitats except for extreme wet cold, and numbers (as in population count). Only a few breeds will have trouble adapting; even cats that have lived with humans will return to wild habits after the humans are removed.
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Carlos	Jun 1 2008, 05:29 PM Post #9
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ItHasTeeth	Jun 5 2008, 12:29 PM Post #10
Megaposter Posts: 274 Group: Members Member #11 Joined: Jun 4, 2008 Nationality: Caucasian	While it's generally believed that most domesticated animals will go extinct along with the fall of mankind, I can't help but wonder if exceptions could exist. Long hairs breeds of cattle, for instance (as pointed out in one documentary about how the remains of human civilization will disappear after humans have vanished) could possibly go feral in the wild given the opportunity (though I somewhat question this idea.) Animals like cats easily become feral when let loose by careless owners who have grown tired of their pets (or are somehow separated from them by fate.) But what else? How easily to chickens acclimate to foreign environments? and what of grains such as rice and corn? Ornamental plant species have become a major driving force behind environmental change due to invasive species. What do you think?



Carlos	Jun 5 2008, 12:36 PM Post #11
Adveho in me Lucifero Posts: 11,702 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: May 31, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: Portugayse Favorite Quote: Blame is the playing of children and is given to many like a gift that cannot be returned. Acceptance is the tool of the mature that is rarely loaned out.	Chickens would surely die, as they are unable to survive without humans. Rice and corn would return to their original wild forms
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truteal	Jun 8 2008, 04:16 AM Post #12
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Livyatan	Jun 8 2008, 06:20 AM Post #13
Posts: 1,998 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 24, 2008 Area of expertise: Future Evolution Favorite Quote: "Knowledge never springs from faith. It springs from doubt." - Humayun Azad Nationality: American	I don't know about deer, crocodiles, and wolves, but boars could certainly take the other niches, at least, depending on the scenario.
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Paralith	Jun 8 2008, 09:00 AM Post #14
Infant Posts: 89 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 2, 2008 Gender: Female	Pigs have already proven their adaptability. They are without a doubt the smartest of the primary food animals. In fact, escaped domestic pigs can go feral in just a few weeks, and will even begin to exhibit physical changes like growing more fur, growing longer tusks, and developing a longer snout. Most countries into which pigs have been brought now have feral pig populations. I'm kind of surprised so many of you think dogs will go extinct. They are cooperative pack animals. They may have been bred to look to humans for leadership and support, but they are still capable of living on their own, as is demonstrated by the development of packs in stray street dogs. I doubt that they would long remain exactly the same as they exist today, especially smaller toy dogs, and would evolve by uncontrolled interbreeding if nothing else, but I think the population as a whole would definitely survive.



Livyatan	Jun 8 2008, 09:33 AM Post #15
Posts: 1,998 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 24, 2008 Area of expertise: Future Evolution Favorite Quote: "Knowledge never springs from faith. It springs from doubt." - Humayun Azad Nationality: American	Paralith Jun 8 2008, 09:00 AM I'm kind of surprised so many of you think dogs will go extinct. They are cooperative pack animals. They may have been bred to look to humans for leadership and support, but they are still capable of living on their own, as is demonstrated by the development of packs in stray street dogs. I doubt that they would long remain exactly the same as they exist today, especially smaller toy dogs, and would evolve by uncontrolled interbreeding if nothing else, but I think the population as a whole would definitely survive. I think if anything, they will just interbreed into coyote populations. Dogs are only successful as feral animals in areas of high human concentration. Even in feral packs, they still depend on humans for survival. Dogs, just like cockroaches and pigeons, do not have a bright future especially in NA. Foxes and coyotes have proven more adaptable than dogs, as well.
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