Hawaii (After Man)

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Hawaii (After Man)
Topic Started: Sep 5 2008, 07:13 PM (3,647 Views)
Yorick	Sep 5 2008, 07:13 PM Post #1
Adult Posts: 931 Group: Members Member #74 Joined: Sep 5, 2008 Nationality: American	What would happen in Hawaii if mankind suddenly vanished or died by a plague? Dogs and cats are the closest thing they have to predators in the Hawaii islands. And mice and rats and surrounding fish and tropical birds are the only real prey. Hawaii isn't exactly know for it's agriculture so I'm guessing there aren't many pigs and and cows and chickens and sheep and goats and horses for our former pets to feed on? In each period of time I've listed for Hawaii After Man (AM), please write what would happen to the wildllife of Hawaii. 10 Years AM: I'm guessing feral cats and dogs would survive but numbers for dogs are low because mice and rats aren't simply large and abundant enough to be proper prey. They may resort to ocassional cannibalism and feeding on rival cats. 100-200 Years AM: 1000-5000 Years AM: Edited by Yorick, Sep 7 2008, 06:10 PM.
	"I believe, that whatever doesn't kill you, simply makes you...stranger" -The Dark Knight (2008)

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Livyatan	Dec 5 2008, 09:23 PM Post #61
Posts: 1,998 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 24, 2008 Area of expertise: Future Evolution Favorite Quote: "Knowledge never springs from faith. It springs from doubt." - Humayun Azad Nationality: American	leptonosoma Dec 5 2008, 09:12 PM Maybe so, but in the Eocene, felines were still mongooses. Canids are an older family than the true felines, and as far as I know, evolved off the hyena family. Sorry to inform you but hyenas are much much closer to felids. And true canids did not exist until pretty much the same time as true felids (true felids coming around 10 my after dogs, but modern forms of both groups not appearing until 10 mya), so that argument is invalid. And sadly, I think all of you have been wrong about this: dogs and cats actually are the main line of caniformes and feliformes, with the other species branching from them or simply having common descent, although technically both cats and dogs share common descent from the miacoids.
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Carlos	Dec 6 2008, 01:10 AM Post #62
Adveho in me Lucifero Posts: 11,702 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: May 31, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: Portugayse Favorite Quote: Blame is the playing of children and is given to many like a gift that cannot be returned. Acceptance is the tool of the mature that is rarely loaned out.	True canines and true felines are, aside from the pinnepedes, the most specialized carnivorans that ever walked the earth save from a few extinct groups. Are you stating that specialized features like the digitigrade posture of the canines or the fact felines can't eat plant matter were secondarily lost? Its literally impossible! In any case, modern felines and canines diverged fairly early from the other carnivorans, while the others all diverged from within eah other in the Oligocene/Miocene periods
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Scrublord	Nov 10 2010, 08:45 PM Post #63
Father Pellegrini Posts: 4,423 Group: Members Member #169 Joined: May 5, 2009 Gender: Male Area of expertise: Future Evolution Nationality: American (unfortunately) Favorite Quote: Life can seem a challenge. Life can seem impossible. It's never easy when there's so much on the line.	Do any of Hawaii's native animals (the honeycreepers, the nene, the Hawaiian hawk) have an evolutionary future?
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Jasonguppy	Dec 2 2010, 06:21 PM Post #64
Cardinal Posts: 2,644 Group: Members Member #405 Joined: Oct 5, 2010 Gender: Male Nationality: USA Also known as: Jay, 189birds Gender: Gender? I hardly know her! (They/Them pronouns)	cant someone come up with a species and stop arguing?
	I do art sometimes. "if you want green eat a salad" Projects: Amammalia: A strange place where mammals didn't make it and the land is, once again, dominated by archosaurs. Oceanus: An endless sea dotted with islands, reefs, and black holes. Literally endless, literal black holes. ❤️❤️~I'm not a boy~❤️❤️


Ook	Dec 2 2010, 06:28 PM Post #65
not a Transhuman Posts: 2,933 Group: Members Member #282 Joined: Mar 10, 2010 Gender: Male	lol,arguments are important



Scrublord	Dec 3 2010, 03:27 PM Post #66
Father Pellegrini Posts: 4,423 Group: Members Member #169 Joined: May 5, 2009 Gender: Male Area of expertise: Future Evolution Nationality: American (unfortunately) Favorite Quote: Life can seem a challenge. Life can seem impossible. It's never easy when there's so much on the line.	Here's what I think will happen: Cats and mongooses will definitely be the apex predators, except in the unlikely event that someone does something about them. They will both probably evolve into specialized bird-hunting forms. Cattle might evolve dwarf forms on the islands, while pigs might do the same to cope with living in the forests. Of the native birds, most of the songbirds are probably doomed (the one exception is the Elepaiao, a monarch flycatcher). The Hawaiian Hawk and the Short-eared owl will probably survive by preying on introduced species. The last flightless bird in Hawaii was the Laysan Rail, which died out in 1945. However, the Hawaiian Coot is a poor flyer and is still common, so it will possibly lose its ability to fly in the next few million years.
	My Projects: The Neozoic Redux Valhalla--Take Three! The Big One Deviantart Account: http://elsqiubbonator.deviantart.com In the end, the best advice I could give you would be to do your project in a way that feels natural to you, rather than trying to imitate some geek with a laptop in Colorado. --Heteromorph


Jasonguppy	Dec 3 2010, 05:34 PM Post #67
Cardinal Posts: 2,644 Group: Members Member #405 Joined: Oct 5, 2010 Gender: Male Nationality: USA Also known as: Jay, 189birds Gender: Gender? I hardly know her! (They/Them pronouns)	dogs become less dominant and are small pack hunters, getting the animals like small pigs/deer. Like the dwarf raptors in dinosaur planet, while cats + mongooses become dominant
	I do art sometimes. "if you want green eat a salad" Projects: Amammalia: A strange place where mammals didn't make it and the land is, once again, dominated by archosaurs. Oceanus: An endless sea dotted with islands, reefs, and black holes. Literally endless, literal black holes. ❤️❤️~I'm not a boy~❤️❤️


Carlos	Dec 4 2010, 06:40 AM Post #68
Adveho in me Lucifero Posts: 11,702 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: May 31, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: Portugayse Favorite Quote: Blame is the playing of children and is given to many like a gift that cannot be returned. Acceptance is the tool of the mature that is rarely loaned out.	It is also possible that pigs replace dogs, becoming predatory ungulates. Or that dogs take into aquatic niches. Cows will most likely die out, while goats will do just fine. Besides the coot, new flightless birds will probably arise from waterfowl and several rail species.
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Jasonguppy	Dec 4 2010, 07:49 AM Post #69
Cardinal Posts: 2,644 Group: Members Member #405 Joined: Oct 5, 2010 Gender: Male Nationality: USA Also known as: Jay, 189birds Gender: Gender? I hardly know her! (They/Them pronouns)	what about coots that adapt to be like seals
	I do art sometimes. "if you want green eat a salad" Projects: Amammalia: A strange place where mammals didn't make it and the land is, once again, dominated by archosaurs. Oceanus: An endless sea dotted with islands, reefs, and black holes. Literally endless, literal black holes. ❤️❤️~I'm not a boy~❤️❤️


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