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Humans artificially drive evolution of new species
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Topic Started: Jun 29 2016, 01:55 PM (1,002 Views)
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Jun 29 2016, 01:55 PM
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Humans artificially drive evolution of new species
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So the world is changing, species come and go as they always have. Only this time I guess it's noteworthy, because this time it's homo sapiens and not some other random species / abiological environment factor and because we're experiencing it firsthand?
Ah, the beauty of human arrogance.
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So the world is changing, species come and go as they always have. Only this time I guess it's noteworthy, because this time it's homo sapiens and not some other random species / abiological environment factor and because we're experiencing it firsthand?
Ah, the beauty of human arrogance. Why do you always have to so pessimistic about these kinds of things?
No, I suppose they're no "special", at least not in this way (although they are in the sense that this is a unique factor driving their natural selection), but if you ask me, this is still quite interesting, if you ask me. The fact that urban environments lead to new species is just as interesting as any other such case of two species arising from a certain factor. No, it's not any more noteworthy, but it's not any less either, which is enough to be cool, in my eyes.- Quote:
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and because we're experiencing it firsthand? Well, of course. It only makes sense we'll be intrigued with a case we can see happening before our own eyes, that's just how we humans work. It allows us to know specifics about the split that we never could with something that's already happened.
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I don't have anything against calling it "interesting", but I find the alarmist undertone in these kinds of articles always a bit annoying.
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I don't think all new species evolved and lived in urban environments because that might never happen. what?
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I don't think all new species evolved and lived in urban environments because that might never happen.
what?
There's something wrong, @Rodlox? your sentence or question or whatever it was - its illegible.
either you're saying you don't think species evolve, or that new species can arise in urban enviroments, or you're babbling.
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I don't think all new species evolved and lived in urban environments because that might never happen. ...it already has happened.
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I think he means that "new species have never evolved due to urban development until now". While, until we find the permian sophonts, is true enough.
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I mean, define now. Who's to say this hasn't been happening for thousands of years?
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It would have to be something extremely alien, pushing the limits of our imagination. But those are always my favorite kinds of life. ~~The Words of The Xenologist
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Ignorance is never insulting if you're willing to learn, we're all ignorant about most things. ~~The Words of Lamna
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Yeah, and even if you don't agree with creationists on that concept, that doesn't mean they can't be decent people. I have friends who are creationist (possibly even young earth) that I get along with fine in general life. I don't think they're right of course, but that doesn't make them intellectual degenerates. ~~The Words of forbidden3
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Ass-breathing fish-lizards? Sounds like a punk rock band
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Myo, if you don't stop reading the YouTube comments...
- Lamna
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Are you saying what I think you're saying?
Sheather bathes in cum?
- Cephylus
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And last night I dreamed I was blowing up a Kindergarten with a grenade launcher for no particular reason...
- revin
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Oh, and of course more people get killed by selfies than by sharks. Of course.
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SHEEEEAAAAATTTTTTHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!
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The smell of rotting flesh really kills my appetite, surprising, but the visual appearance of corpses makes me hungry. Is that weird?
- Ebervalius
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I mean, let us say I'm a genderfluid blurflux demi-romantic woman who is sexually attracted to men, but only if they are Melanesian and have a voice like that of Nicholas Cage. Okay, so what?
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When I first saw that picture, I thought you were dissecting a condom.
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All hail Robo-Stalin.
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Seems like everything in this project is now dead.
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Seagulls are pretty much trees, right?
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We all must finish chapters of our lives to go on to the next. Sometime this means leaving behind versions of ourselves that don't want to die.
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For April fool's, we had to make an orgasm that resembled a human foot.
- Flisch
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im the black market
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He was a skater birb, she said tweet you later birb
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Funny, isn't it, that our world needs Clark Kent a lot more than Superman.
- Xenoblade Chronicles
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Even though he is our creator, that does not afford him the right to take our lives on a whim. But that is the thinking of a homs. He is a god. Such morals cannot apply to gods. So you think we should just shut up and die?! If that is the fate decided by a god. You are mistaken if you think we will simply accept such a fate and wait to die. We'll never stop fighting. Not till the end. To Zanza, the outcome is the same. Thus your logic is flawed.
- Hades - Kid Icarus Uprising
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When freaky aliens give you lemons, make freaky alien lemonade.
- Kid Icarus Uprising
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But Souls are delicious. They're like bacon - they taste good on anything. But if you eat them, you completely remove them from existence! They can't move on or... or be reincarnated! Huh. I never really gave it much thought. Besides, what do you mean by reincarnation anyway? You know, being reborn as someone or something else. Which means different body, different memories, different experiences, yes? So isn't being reborn as "something else" the same as being "removed from existence"? I... I... eating souls isn't right! That depends on your definition of "right". All living things survive by eating other living things. So what? You're a god. You should be above all that! Gods are above living things, which doesn't necessarily mean we care about them.
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Jun 30 2016, 10:23 PM
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That's true. But I guess since we don't know we should just make a raspberry sound. I guess we know some snails were artificially selected by people for increased size back many thousands of years ago, but that's not the urban development scenario.
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So the world is changing, species come and go as they always have. Only this time I guess it's noteworthy, because this time it's homo sapiens and not some other random species / abiological environment factor and because we're experiencing it firsthand?
Ah, the beauty of human arrogance. Rocks get made into sharp bits all the time by environmental factors, but that doesn't make stone knapping any less of an achievement. It's an achievement of human ingenuity, not an achievement of nature. By your logic why bothered to be impressed by anything? Do you often to to the Himalayas and yell at the tourists? "I GUESS THIS TECTONIC COLLISION IS NOTEWORTHY SINCE YOU'RE HERE TO CLIMB IT HURR DURR."
This particular article, however, is not an achievement. It's also not news. Hasn't been for 200,000 years or so. Reading that article was a complete waste of my time that I will never get back. It's like turning on the TV news and seeing a special report about how the wind blew today, or how the world was illuminated by a great incandescent circle in the sky until it disappeared beyond the western horizon. "This just in! Causal relations exist! Read all about it!"
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"The Lord Universe said: 'The same fate I have given to all things from stones to stars, that one day they shall become naught but memories aloft upon the winds of time. From dust all was born, and to dust all shall return.' He then looked upon His greatest creation, life, and pitied them, for unlike stars and stones they would soon learn of this fate and despair in the futility of their own existence. And so the Lord Universe decided to give life two gifts to save them from this despair. The first of these gifts was the soul, that life might more readily accept their fate, and the second was fear, that they might in time learn to avoid it altogether." - Excerpt from a Chanagwan creation myth, Legends and Folklore of the Planet Ghar, collected and published by Yieju Bai'an, explorer from the Celestial Commonwealth of Qonming
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- Jul 4 2016, 08:09 AM
Rocks get made into sharp bits all the time by environmental factors, but that doesn't make stone knapping any less of an achievement. The amazing thing about knee-capping is not the pointy bits, but the fact that an animal has the abstract thinking and foresight to turn a rock into a desired shape, in order to use it as a tool. So you are right, pointy rocks is pretty lame in itself. They exist everywhere, but knee-capping itself, or rather the mental abilities required to do it are very noteworthy, because they are, well, unique.
Also, this is a terrible simile. Knee-capping and... abiotic environmental factors sharpening rocks have two different causalities. One wouldn't happen if an organism wouldn't make the conscious decision to do it. The other just happens randomly.
A better simile would be to say "Oh man, there may be a lot of trees, but this tree just so randomly happens to grow in my garden. Holy crap, this tree grows and is alive, unlike those that are outside my garden. Here, have a scientific article that talks about the latest breakthrough about how the tree in my garden specifically is made of wood. Amazing!"
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A better simile would be to say "Oh man, there may be a lot of trees, but this tree just so randomly happens to grow in my garden. Holy crap, this tree grows and is alive, unlike those that are outside my garden. Here, have a scientific article that talks about the latest breakthrough about how the tree in my garden specifically is made of wood. Amazing!" Well, that's a rather downputting comparison. This is more like "Tree from a group that usually grow in humid forests evolve to live in deserts". I mean, this is a completely different environment species are starting to adapt to. Unless you're arguing that different living conditions in the context of evolution don't matter?
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Knee-capping... I hope that's an autocorrect mess up, because knee-capping and flint-knapping are very different things.
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