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| Topic Started: Apr 24 2016, 10:07 PM (534 Views) | |
| SemiCylinder | Apr 24 2016, 10:07 PM Post #1 |
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Hello. I am by no means taking sides or pointing fingers with this thread, nor am I trying to act like some kind of superior to anyone on this site, but there seems to be a rising level of discord in the habitable zone concerning a certain group of users. The whole multiple threads issue seems to be causing some trouble, and there are a lot of people calling out others about how much their creatures are unoriginal and 'earth like'. I'm bringing these prominent issues to attention because I feel like there should be some kind of discussion on them because they are causing arguments and probably some unpleasant feelings between members. Not only do I find this offputting for the members involved and their topics, which I have come to avoid because usually there's just arguments, but it could end up driving some of our members away. My point here is simply to try to encourage discussion about these problems in order to maybe find a solution or come to a better understanding. I don't know if this thread should be here or the habitable zone, but yeah. Hopefully this isn't out of line or anything. Cheers. |
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| Paleo_Specs | Apr 24 2016, 10:17 PM Post #2 |
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I see all the eyes trained on me. Spoiler: click to toggle We could have the multiple threads issue fixed by them having one thread and the rest deleted. And on my part, my newest Athena thread has gotten some rude comments because it is the third thread, hopefully the last two get deleted and all posts removed for the newest..... Some day...... Some day.... Edited by Paleo_Specs, Apr 24 2016, 10:39 PM.
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| Dragonthunders | Apr 24 2016, 11:02 PM Post #3 |
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Okay, sorry, but seeing the whole situation, that was not the problem, the problem has been the continuing threads creation, one after another, rebooted or deleted with little or no adequate justification of that, and without any work done. It has become annoying because it seems that there is no some responsibility or control of the creator of these topics, is just a cycle, the topic is created, there is a problem of conversation and then there is the idea of delete all, and is solved, and all start again. People who have tried to discuss the situation the last days has be a bit tired of repeating the same cycle, to the point of be friendly to be hostile by the irresponsible behavior of the creator of these topics. Also, there has been almost no discussion about the "animals" because the creator has not done something to discuss, nothing. Maybe I'm being cruel to my opinion, but I'm being honest with what I've been watching. Edit: With this I do not want to make enemies, however, I really disapprove such behavior, it is not necessary to create much to discuss many things. Edited by Dragonthunders, Apr 24 2016, 11:12 PM.
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| Sayornis | Apr 24 2016, 11:15 PM Post #4 |
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Wouldn't it be better to talk about these issues directly with the offending member(s), or report their posts if they're becoming a serious nuisance? But since I'm here anyway...
I guess those got deleted when one of the multiple threads was purged. (Since I haven't been following the Habitable Zone section that closely, I could have missed a few now-deleted threads or posts.) And I agree with everything else you said. Paleo Specs, you really should take the advice that various members have given you: plan out your projects before posting an OP, so you can start with something more substantial. Then you won't have to constantly demand that your threads are deleted so you can start afresh. |
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| Ànraich | Apr 25 2016, 12:54 AM Post #5 |
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Look I don't mean to appear like I'm talking down to your or anything, but the staff are not your own personal servants. You have made copious requests for deleting threads and posts in the threads and we have been more than patient with you in that regard. We're done pandering to you though, no threads or posts will be deleted and frankly I wouldn't blame the staff if they started ignoring similar requests you make in the future. There's no reason to make multiple threads for the same project every time you make a change. Firstly you have numerous tools available to you for that such as the edit button and the ability to make new posts in your thread detailing the changes you've made. The whole point of having a thread for your project is to get feedback and comments on it so that you can make changes to it. Secondly its your job to maintain the discussion and keep it from going off topic. The staff cannot and will not police every single thread on the forum like some kind of project police. As the creator of the project and the instigator of the discussion about said project it is your responsibility to steer the discussion back on course when it drifts from the topic at hand. Finally we are not inclined to delete every post you disagree with. This is a discussion board not a gallery. The entire point of it is to have discussions. The idea behind presenting projects seems to has shifted as time has gone on and our older members have been replaced with newer ones. Projects are presented publicly here as a way to receive feedback, criticism, and suggestions. You are not entitled to praise. This issue seems to have been blown out of proportion by people who don't understand this so I'll discuss that for a moment, to everyone. Yes, some projects get comments about how certain aspects of them are implausible or poorly executed. This is likely because those aspects of them in question are implausible or poorly executed. If you believe otherwise then argue your case, but be sure to do so using scientific research rather than actually arguing. It is assumed that when you created a thread for your project here that you are seeking the opinions of others, and this is generally what you receive. People judge projects here on a number of standards, chiefly among them: plausibility (how founded your concepts are in scientific principles particularly those of biology), originality (this does not necessarily mean coming up with something entirely unique, though that is a bonus, but rather on how you have given your own interpretation of an idea founded in speculative biology), and quality (how well you argue your case and present your ideas in a scientifically accurate manner). Recently it seems like the projects here have become more art project than speculative biology, but what really matters here is the science behind your ideas rather than the ideas themselves or any artwork that may accompany them. Yes, sometimes we will give a little leeway for projects we find amusing or fantastical, but often times those projects are presented in an amusing or fantastical manner rather than as a serious attempt at speculative biology. There is nothing wrong with people going into projects in the habitable zone and calling them implausible or too earth-like. That is what is expected. That is the system functioning as it is intended. If those making such comments become rude it is likely because there is an unwillingness to listen on the part of the creator. No hostility or insult is ever intended when something is called implausible or earth-like. It is an observation another, likely more experienced member has made and pointed out in an attempt to help you make your project better. This is not a "safe space." We are not here to hold your hand and tell you everything you do is amazing. I'm sorry to be so blunt about it but we are here to help people achieve a greater understanding of biology through the fun of speculation. Projects require research and preparation. My project in the Habitable Zone, Priapus Prime, was worked out on actual, physical paper for nearly three years before I decided to post it here, and even then I gradually made sweeping changes from its original form based on the feedback I got from others. This process led me to research progressively more advanced concepts in biology in an attempt to make my concepts more grounded in reality through scientific accuracy and plausibility. That is the purpose of sharing and discussing your project: to challenge you to become more adept at biology, not gain unfounded praise from internet strangers. Again, this was not meant to hurt anybody's feelings or talk down to anybody. I just wanted to clarify something that may not have ever been explained. The goal of SE is to encourage people to develop an interest in and understanding of biology in an entertaining and personally rewarding manner. |
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