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Topic Started: Apr 11 2016, 11:13 AM (4,218 Views)
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Apr 14 2016, 08:05 PM
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I'm just saying that our lives aren't necessarily better than theirs were. Just because there's a lot of us, and we have all these new toys and complex political systems, doesn't mean that our civilization is better and people live fuller lives. Like I said we seem to prefer quantity over quality. You know what the best evidence is that settled life is better? Settled societies won. If people truly preferred hunter-gatherer living, and it was truly the superior form of civilization, then everyone today would be a hunter gatherer and there would be no internet.
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That conversation thread is dead my dude. Now is the part where we veer off-topic and talk about which species we'd like to relocate or kill off.
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- Apr 14 2016, 04:11 PM
I suppose what I've really been trying to ask all this time is, is there ever an instance where it's acceptable to allow a species to go extinct purely in the name of human progress? Or should all species be regarded as equally worthy of preservation--even if it's something like the guinea worm? This is an important question. If a species is actually detrimental to humans, and has no "up-side" for us, what then? Should we exterminate them?
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Those worms are detrimental to more than just humans. Kill 'em all.
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I suppose what I've really been trying to ask all this time is, is there ever an instance where it's acceptable to allow a species to go extinct purely in the name of human progress? Or should all species be regarded as equally worthy of preservation--even if it's something like the guinea worm?
This is an important question. If a species is actually detrimental to humans, and has no "up-side" for us, what then? Should we exterminate them? Well yeah. Human morality is an actual thing.
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Apr 14 2016, 08:17 PM
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I'm just saying that our lives aren't necessarily better than theirs were. Just because there's a lot of us, and we have all these new toys and complex political systems, doesn't mean that our civilization is better and people live fuller lives. Like I said we seem to prefer quantity over quality.
You know what the best evidence is that settled life is better? Settled societies won. If people truly preferred hunter-gatherer living, and it was truly the superior form of civilization, then everyone today would be a hunter gatherer and there would be no internet. Umm, different civilizations had different lifestyles... Obviously humanity "prefers" farming, because it allows us to produce large numbers of humans. That's basic evolution for ya. Farming is "better" from that standpoint, but that doesn't mean an individual human lives in a better world.
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Apr 14 2016, 08:21 PM
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I'm just saying that our lives aren't necessarily better than theirs were. Just because there's a lot of us, and we have all these new toys and complex political systems, doesn't mean that our civilization is better and people live fuller lives. Like I said we seem to prefer quantity over quality.
You know what the best evidence is that settled life is better? Settled societies won. If people truly preferred hunter-gatherer living, and it was truly the superior form of civilization, then everyone today would be a hunter gatherer and there would be no internet.
Umm, different civilizations had different lifestyles... Obviously humanity "prefers" farming, because it allows us to produce large numbers of humans. That's basic evolution for ya. Farming is "better" from that standpoint, but that doesn't mean an individual human lives in a better world. Is a greater portion of the world population engaged in sedentary or hunter-gatherer living?
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Apr 14 2016, 08:28 PM
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I'm just saying that our lives aren't necessarily better than theirs were. Just because there's a lot of us, and we have all these new toys and complex political systems, doesn't mean that our civilization is better and people live fuller lives. Like I said we seem to prefer quantity over quality.
You know what the best evidence is that settled life is better? Settled societies won. If people truly preferred hunter-gatherer living, and it was truly the superior form of civilization, then everyone today would be a hunter gatherer and there would be no internet.
Umm, different civilizations had different lifestyles... Obviously humanity "prefers" farming, because it allows us to produce large numbers of humans. That's basic evolution for ya. Farming is "better" from that standpoint, but that doesn't mean an individual human lives in a better world. Look, if you truly believe that system is better, sell all of your belongings, including your clothes, and move to Ethiopia. We'll see which one of us dies in the middle of nowhere from starvation/exposure/thirst/dysentery.
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Apr 14 2016, 08:30 PM
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Farmers may have taken over because we can breed faster
I don't think the gestation period in humans differs based on lifestyle. Hunter-gatherers also don't have less sex, it's just that the infant mortality rate is a lot higher. - HangingThief
- Apr 14 2016, 03:55 PM
You won't see a stressed, diabetic hunter- gatherer
There actually is a form of diabeetus that's inherited, so yeah, that's very well possible. - HangingThief
- Apr 14 2016, 03:55 PM
who works ten hours a day
True, they usually work at least 18 hours a day. - HangingThief
- Apr 14 2016, 03:55 PM
nor one who's starving to death among thousands of others in a desolate, ruined landscape.
Also true, they usually starve to death somewhere in the wilderness. (Also, did I miss something? "Desolate, ruined landscape?" What dystopian future are we talking about?) First of all, infant mortality is natural. Look at just about every other species on the planet. "Oh, the poor babies!" you might say, but it's true. Second, early farmers had more children, in part because they work harder to produce more food than they need (basically the point of farming) but also due to strictly enforced gender roles.
18 hours a day? Do some research. Farming is much harder work, even in the modern day for someone who's not directly a farmer. Hunter gatherers had more free time than we will ever have.
Hunter gatherers did not starve to death out in the wilderness. (I'm pretty much talking about stone age hunter gatherers, nowadays true hunter gatherers are basically obsolete due to encroachment) They, umm, hunted and gathered. They were far more likely to be killed in a war with another tribe or murdered than die of disease or starvation.
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Apr 14 2016, 08:31 PM
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Correlation /= causation. No-one is saying that being a hunter-gatherer is better. All they're saying is that it's not necessarily worse either. Better vs worse depends entirely on what metric you use. This thread seriously needs attention from an anthropologist.
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Apr 14 2016, 08:34 PM
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Also true, they usually starve to death somewhere in the wilderness. (Also, did I miss something? "Desolate, ruined landscape?" What dystopian future are we talking about?)
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Apr 14 2016, 08:37 PM
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That is the end result of corporate and political greed, not farming.
Now seriously, get off of your computer and go live in the woods or something if you think farming is so bad.
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That is the end result of corporate and political greed, not farming.
Now seriously, get off of your computer and go live in the woods or something if you think farming is so bad. Corporate and political greed is caused by farming.
Also, I would if it weren't for the fact that farming ruined the woods... I've seriously considered living in the woods before though. Not even making that up.
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Follow your stupid fuckin' dreams.
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If it weren't for farming, human civilization as we know it wouldn't exist. We would never have gotten this far. I fail to see how it's a bad thing.
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Yeah, and even if you don't agree with creationists on that concept, that doesn't mean they can't be decent people. I have friends who are creationist (possibly even young earth) that I get along with fine in general life. I don't think they're right of course, but that doesn't make them intellectual degenerates. ~~The Words of forbidden3
Member Quotes - jman123
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Ass-breathing fish-lizards? Sounds like a punk rock band
- Sheather
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"Holy fucking shit a toilet paper roll! Our favorite thing!"
- Urufumarukai
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Tyrannosaurus aquastronka
- Kamineigh
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Myo, if you don't stop reading the YouTube comments...
- Lamna
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Are you saying what I think you're saying?
Sheather bathes in cum?
- Cephylus
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And last night I dreamed I was blowing up a Kindergarten with a grenade launcher for no particular reason...
- revin
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Oh, and of course more people get killed by selfies than by sharks. Of course.
- Parasky
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SHEEEEAAAAATTTTTTHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!
- whachamacalit2
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The smell of rotting flesh really kills my appetite, surprising, but the visual appearance of corpses makes me hungry. Is that weird?
- Ebervalius
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I mean, let us say I'm a genderfluid blurflux demi-romantic woman who is sexually attracted to men, but only if they are Melanesian and have a voice like that of Nicholas Cage. Okay, so what?
- trex841
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When I first saw that picture, I thought you were dissecting a condom.
- Mr Mysterio
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All hail Robo-Stalin.
- Peashyjah
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Seems like everything in this project is now dead.
- Stealth Rock
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Seagulls are pretty much trees, right?
- Watcher
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We all must finish chapters of our lives to go on to the next. Sometime this means leaving behind versions of ourselves that don't want to die.
- Yiqi15
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For April fool's, we had to make an orgasm that resembled a human foot.
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im the black market
- CaledonianWarrior96
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He was a skater birb, she said tweet you later birb
- Most People at Some Point
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Quotes - Some dude called plucas1 from Youtube comments
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Funny, isn't it, that our world needs Clark Kent a lot more than Superman.
- Xenoblade Chronicles
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Even though he is our creator, that does not afford him the right to take our lives on a whim. But that is the thinking of a homs. He is a god. Such morals cannot apply to gods. So you think we should just shut up and die?! If that is the fate decided by a god. You are mistaken if you think we will simply accept such a fate and wait to die. We'll never stop fighting. Not till the end. To Zanza, the outcome is the same. Thus your logic is flawed.
- Hades - Kid Icarus Uprising
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When freaky aliens give you lemons, make freaky alien lemonade.
- Kid Icarus Uprising
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But Souls are delicious. They're like bacon - they taste good on anything. But if you eat them, you completely remove them from existence! They can't move on or... or be reincarnated! Huh. I never really gave it much thought. Besides, what do you mean by reincarnation anyway? You know, being reborn as someone or something else. Which means different body, different memories, different experiences, yes? So isn't being reborn as "something else" the same as being "removed from existence"? I... I... eating souls isn't right! That depends on your definition of "right". All living things survive by eating other living things. So what? You're a god. You should be above all that! Gods are above living things, which doesn't necessarily mean we care about them.
- Some Dude on BBC Two
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You are being shagged... by a flightless parrot.
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