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| flashman63 | Apr 14 2016, 05:36 PM Post #76 |
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| Scrublord | Apr 14 2016, 05:41 PM Post #77 |
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So are you saying the best thing to do is to get rid of everything meaningful accomplished over the past 10,000 years and go back to the caves? |
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| Flisch | Apr 14 2016, 05:42 PM Post #78 |
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I said they're doing fine, not that they're the same. You seem to imply that change is inherently negative. The ecologies in Europe and North America have changed. Does this mean they have less validity than pre-human ecologies?
I don't think the gestation period in humans differs based on lifestyle. Hunter-gatherers also don't have less sex, it's just that the infant mortality rate is a lot higher.
There actually is a form of diabeetus that's inherited, so yeah, that's very well possible.
True, they usually work at least 18 hours a day.
Also true, they usually starve to death somewhere in the wilderness. (Also, did I miss something? "Desolate, ruined landscape?" What dystopian future are we talking about?) |
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| Mr Mysterio | Apr 14 2016, 05:50 PM Post #79 |
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I have the portal bookmarked, and it's the main way I access the forum. It's how I keep up with what's going on around here. And I agree with Kamineigh. This topic doesn't really feel like one that'll really actually go anywhere (like most internet debates, really), and it'd be cool to just. Not see it. |
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| flashman63 | Apr 14 2016, 05:50 PM Post #80 |
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"Life, uh, finds a way" For all our hubris, "Man- Mighty Hunter" isn't going to be wiping the natural word clean any time soon. |
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| Scrublord | Apr 14 2016, 05:51 PM Post #81 |
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I'm struggling to understand your "thesis", as it were. You seem to be implying that we just plain shouldn't care about the environment, because there have been mass extinctions before, the Earth has recovered from them, and this one won't be any different. Reading everything you said, I'm reminded of Michael Crichton's multi-page rant in the original Jurassic Park novel, where he more or less calls environmentalists fools who don't see the bigger picture. Is that really what you believe? Edit: damn. Ninja'd. Edited by Scrublord, Apr 14 2016, 05:51 PM.
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| Paleo_Specs | Apr 14 2016, 05:51 PM Post #82 |
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I use the portal. |
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| Scrublord | Apr 14 2016, 05:56 PM Post #83 |
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Can I put up a poll on this topic, so I can get a better sense of what people actually believe?
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| flashman63 | Apr 14 2016, 06:07 PM Post #84 |
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I definitely do believe this to an extent. We're just another example of the unique speciation and adaptation on earth. Ultimately, preserving species isn't a moral good- it's an aesthetic pleasure. |
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| Scrublord | Apr 14 2016, 06:31 PM Post #85 |
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But here's the thing--so many of the things humanity has created over its history were ultimately made for no purpose other than aesthetic pleasure. We're a creative species, that's our signifying trait. So when we make something like that's beautiful but doesn't serve a practical function,-- something like the Mona Lisa, or the Statue of Liberty, we exercise that creativity in a way no other animal does. If it weren't for our need for aesthetic pleasure, the world would be much duller. Nature does not have any inherent value, because value is, once again, a uniquely human concept. Nature only has as much value as humans are willing to place on it. And if that value is for providing aesthetic pleasure, then so be it. We want there to be whales and big cats and elephants and rainforests and coral reefs and whatever-have-you, not because it's the morally "right" thing, but because from our perspective they make the world a more interesting place. Edited by Scrublord, Apr 14 2016, 06:35 PM.
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| Kamidio | Apr 14 2016, 06:39 PM Post #86 |
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Objectively speaking, the Mona Lisa is hideous and the only reason it's held in such high regard is because it was made by Leonardo da Vinci. You chose a bad example for your argument. |
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| flashman63 | Apr 14 2016, 06:39 PM Post #87 |
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I agree. I enjoy the preservation of nature, favor re-wilding projects- but at the same time, just restoring the world to its pre-Anthropocene state is not interesting either. Now, Monkeys in Florida, Komodo Dragons in Australia- THAT'S interesting. I really like seeing mankind just fucking around with nature, and serving as the single most expansive and efficient method of long distance biogeographical dispersion the world has ever seen. I'm just as interested in seeing us making a mark on the world's ecology as I am in seeing species preservation. |
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| Kamidio | Apr 14 2016, 06:41 PM Post #88 |
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Wait wait wait. There are Komodo dragons in Oz? I knew about the Floridian monkeys, but Aussie death lizards? Tell me more. |
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| Scrublord | Apr 14 2016, 06:43 PM Post #89 |
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So you think we shouldn't bother trying to wipe out invasive species, even when it's obvious that they're a problem? And Kamineigh, the only reason I brought up the Mona Lisa is because I needed something instantly recognizable. Edited by Scrublord, Apr 14 2016, 06:47 PM.
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| Scrublord | Apr 14 2016, 06:45 PM Post #90 |
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That would certainly explain the so-called "Megalania sightings". Edited by Scrublord, Apr 14 2016, 06:46 PM.
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