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The Biocene 2.0; Ten million years from now
Topic Started: Mar 17 2016, 06:43 PM (6,299 Views)
number8192	Mar 17 2016, 06:43 PM Post #1
Infant Posts: 86 Group: Members Member #1,891 Joined: Mar 17, 2016	The biocene Global warming did us in, the sixth mass extinction(Really eight if we consider the End Botomian and Dresbachian ones.), desertified the planet's surface, and the oceans were deoxygenated, polluted, and filled with hydrogen sulfide. The rise in temperature, predicted to melt the east antarctic ice sheet by 10 000 years in the future, made the equatorial zone and northern hemisphere basically unlivable, due to the heat moving to, and largely coming from,the north. In the absence of humans, nuclear powerplants went into meltdown. Ocean currents caused radiations to move mostly upwards, making the northern hemisphere a heavily radioactive wasteland. The Yellowstone Supervolcano made North America almost entirely devoid of life. The last days of mankind were spent battling over the last resources, taking out most of all megafauna and freshwater. Scientists and some selected survivors ended up migrating to the subantarctican islands and antarctica, trying to come up with new inventions that could potentially save them,but lack of resources and infrastructure, ultimately, did them in. With a mostly desertified planet where the coast is toxic with hydrogen sulfide, Most of survivors were small xerocoles and generalists. The list of surviving tetrapods(Invertebrates, fungi, fishes, plants and so on are for the majority basically unkillable, evolve faster than tetrapods, and our knowledge on them is lagging behind, so they will not be the focus here, we don't know 90% of the oceans, after all.)had to migrate to Argentina/Chile, South Africa, Australia, Subantarctican islands and Antarctica to survive, with the latter two being only accessible to birds and bats. The list is as follows: Amphibia: Anura(Frogs from the Peruvian desert, African deserts and the Australian desert show frogs can be good xerocoles.) Reptilia: Testudines(Snake necked turtles and crocodile turtle only.) Squamata(Basically unkillable, even the varanoids.) Crocodylia(Dwarf caiman only due to living in semi arid climates, being more terrestrial and nocturnal than other crocodiles, and being small.) Aves: Passeriformes(Basically unkillable, especially crows.) Coliiformes(Adapted to at least the Kalahari desert.) Apodiformes(Swifts and some hummingbirds(Adapted to the Peruvian desert.)will survive.) Musophagiformes(Mostly go away birds and plantain eaters, especially Criniferoides leucogaster.) Caprimulgiformes(A few in south america, africa and australia.) Cuculiformes(Quite a few, genus chalcites especially.) Piciformes(Basically unkillable) Falconiformes(Basically unkillable,both falcons and a few caracaras.) Pelecaniformes(Basically unkillable, ardeidae especially, threskiornitidae as well and the hamerkop.) Otidiformes(A few in africa only.) Charadriiformes(Basically unkillable.) Trogoniformes(Narina trogon only.) Coraciiformes(Bee eaters especially.) Accipitriformes(Basically unkillable.) Gruiformes(Rails only.) Galliformes(Quails especially.) Tinamiformes(Nothuras only.) Podicipediformes(A few in south america, africa and australia.) Cathartiformes(Turkey vulture and black vulture only.) Psittaciformes(Only Australian ones.) Columbiformes(Basically unkillable.) Anseriformes(Basically unkillable.) Phoenicopteriformes(Greater flamingo only.) Strigiformes(Basically unkillable.) Bucerotiformes(A few, african grey hornbill and red billed hornbill most notably.) Pteroclidiformes(Basically unkillable(Nearly all of them.).) Suliformes(Anhinga novaehollandiae and a few cormorants.) Ciconiiformes(African woollyneck and Black stork only.) Aegotheliformes(Australian owlet nightjar only.) Podargiformes(Tawny frogmouth only.) Cariamiformes(All.) Mammalia: Chiroptera(Basically unkillable, though not the fruit eating ones.) Cingulata(Hairy armadillos only.) Macroscelidea(Quite a few.) Dasyuromorphia(Planigales especially.) Carnivora(Basically unkillable, families herpestidae and mustelidae especially, but also some smaller cats, foxes, gennets and some south american skunks.) Monotremata(Short beaked echidna only.) Notoryctemorphia(All.) Primata(Lesser galagos only.) Rodentia(Basically unkillable.) Eulipotyphla(Hedgehogs and shrews(Crocidura only.) in Africa only.) Hyracoidea(Rock hyrax and Bush hyrax only.) Artiodactyla(Dik diks only.) Diprotodontia(Sugar glider only(Sugar gliders can tolerate temperatures up to 40 °C, are omnivorous, and can live in heavily degraded forests.).) Didelphimorphia(A few, Didelphis marsupialis and Didelphis pernigra especially.) Lagomorpha(African hares, plus the european rabbit(in Australia only.).) As the Ice age in 50 000 years emerged, the temperature cooled down to a more acceptable level. Birds and bats flew back to the main continents, mixing up the bird and bat distribution of every continents. 10 millions years in the future, the dominant orders ended up being Squamata(Mostly in the oceans.), Passeriformes(Outcompeting nearly everyone with their intelligence. A bit like we used to.), Rodentia(Filling most grazing roles, but also some aquatic ones with the rakali.)and Carnivora(Taking over most of their former niches.). The future geological shape of the continents has the Americas separated from each other, Europe and Africa colliding, creating a huge desert where the mediterranean sea used to be, the eastern part of Africa separating into its own island, and a huge desert stretching across the sahara, middle east, ex urss, india and mongolia.By that time, rust, erosion, rot and storms, among others, will have reduced our constructions to little more than sediment layers filled with rust, styrofoam, and plutonium among other materials, leaving no trace of our civilisation. The Megafauna is as follows: Sapient octopus:A social octopus that solved the reproductive problem of octopi(For the females, at least.)by having young octopi bring food to materning females, avoiding hunger. This social ability greatly increases their lifespans, but also their intellectual progression with age(Evolving human like intelligence by the time of the biocene.)and the appearance of culture as well. In very little time, they conquer the oceans as humans did the surface before.These are matriarchal animals as their lifestyle only helps the female's lifespan, leaving males to live the same way octopi do today, without culture, and interacting with females only for breeding. They look no different than the giant octopi today. Greater madoqua:Descendant of salt's dik dik, this animal looks like an indricotherium, but no taller than asian elephants, and has the caracteristic even toes of artiodactyla(As well as the fur of it's ancestor.). It is weaker and lighter than an asian elephant, but stronger and heavier than a giraffe. It lost it's horns to time and has a nose resembling indricotherium's own, due to salt's dik dik already having a similar nose. It has thin fur over it's body, much like it's ancestor, and fills the role sauropods, elephants and giraffes used to play before. Pantherinoid:Descendants of domestic cats, These heavily built cats replace the niche of smilodons, and completely dominate the arctic as apex predators. Their shape is similar to a smilodon's, but with tiger like canines and much bigger and stronger molars for bone crushing. They fear no one in the arctic and rivalise with other apex predators elsewhere. Great rakali:Descendants of the rakali, these beaver like rodents replace the role of seals and otters before them. These animals, though entirely carnivorous, are little more than prey for the megalodonoids and pteronuroids, but dominate arctic and antarctic oceans nonetheless with pteronuroids. Their sizes are similar to the seals before them, and they look like giant beavers with more webbings on their hands and feets. Hydrochoeroid:These hippo sized rodents resemble josephoartigasia monesi, but with bigger molars more adapted for grazing. They descend from various groundhog like rodents all around the world and overtook grazing niches like artiodactyla before them, with greater madoqua being the only other notable megafaunal grazer. They use their incisors for defense the same way a hippo would with it's tusks, and can deliver a powerful bite. Greater notomys:Descendants of hopping mices(Tarkawara, more precisely.), these fill the niche macropodidae leaves behind, and largely look like them. Just like hydrochoeroid, they fill the grazer niches were they live. They use their hands to use simple tools. Purussauroid:Descendants of the dwarf caiman, these purussaurus like caimans are 10 m long and are the biggest tetrapodal animals of their time. Sharing the armored underbelly of their ancestors, these crocodylians dominate the Americas and surrounding seas. Megalanoid:The lack of crocodiles left varanoids to fill their old niche outside the new world. Reaching no longer than 7 m, these semi aquatic megalania look alikes lack the powerful bites of crocodylians, but have a venom that makes up for it. They are considerably more social than their ancestors, as well as more intelligent(Especially descendants of rock monitors.).Some megalanoids develop more webbings on their hands and feets than others, and are slowly developping ovoviviparity over time, foreshadowing their eventual evolution into the mosasauroid(A mosasaur like lizard.).But for now, sharks dominate the oceans unopposed. Phorusrhacidoid:Descendants of many birds around the world(Like seriemas, caracaras, ibises, bustards, hornbills, flamingos and storks.)adopted large, flightless forms not unlike phorusrhacidae, due to the lack of predators compared to before(A phenomenon seen on many island birds today.). These are descended from ravens, and the top endurace hunters of their time. Unlike terror birds, phorusrhacidoids have smaller, thicker beaks, shorter necks, opposable thumbs on their feets, bigger brains and are no taller than 1.80 m. Their superior intellect allowed them to outcompete similar birds who could have otherwise filled the niche where they are. With working opposable thumbs on their feets, complex language, tool use, tribal organisation, incredible intelligence, endurance hunting, bipedality and sight and hearing as their primary senses, the future looks incredibly promising for these birds. Dark raven:These 5 m long in wingspan ravens are completely black in color except for their red eyes.These nocturnal, intelligent birds are both predator and scavenger, and use their feathers as camouflage in the night sky. Giant hyrax:Just like artiodactyla, perissodactyla, diprotodontia and proboscidea share the megafaunal grazing niches today,so will the candidates for top grazers in the future. The giant hyrax is a sheep sized hyrax and occupies mountaintops hydrochoeroid rarely frequent. Creodontoid:Pale fox, fennec fox and ruppel's fox are the last remaining canidaes in the world after the holocene's extinction. Their descendant is shaped like a dire wolf with a pitbull's stout physique as well as a bigger snout. Creodontoids fill most of the former carnivoran niches. Giant spiny mouse:With porcupines dead, mices of the genus acomys(Or spiny mices.)were free to fill the niche unopposed. They are sheep sized porcupine like rodents with scaly tails and shorter quills. They are nocturnal to avoid phorusrhacidoids, and are virtually unopposed by any other predatorial animals thanks to their protection, not unlike today's giant porcupine in Africa. Titanophis:An almost entirely aquatic snake, titanophis is 10 m long(2.8 m less than titanoboa.)and goes only on land to lay eggs and occasionally snatch prey.It is slowly becoming ovoviviparous in response to it's environment, not unlike sea snakes, but 10 million years isn't long enough for the change. Giant jerboa:Kangaroo like descendants of lesser egyptian jerboas, these jerboas fill the role of gazels in savannahs, and small camels in the desert, being lighter of foot than the hydrochoeroid, and not as energivore. They are smaller than greater notomys, as well as having bigger ears and eyes. Chelodinoid:These 3m long turtles with snake like necks hide in the earth underwater, snatching any prey over them by unearthing their head and attacking with a snake like motion to bite their prey, which they bring under the ground afterward. They are descended from chelodina, a genus of snake necked turtles from australia who are fully xerocole(In at least 3 cases.)and look like bigger versions of them. Pteronuroid:Descendants of the long tailed weasel, the least weasel and the egyptian weasel proved adapted to the water and took to it a bit like otters before them. These dominate the polar areas as leopard seals and polar bears did before them. Despite convergent evolution with otters, these are solitary animals except for the females with they're kids. Equatorial zones are inhabited too, causing fierce rivalries with megalanoids and titanophises. Thanks to lack of competition in either poles, and unlike otters, pteronuroids are able to measure 3.m long and look like relatively elongated sarkastodons with slightly bigger tails. Of the two, great rakalis evolved first, as rakalis are more aquatic than weasels, resulting in the descendants of rakalis reaching bigger sizes before pteronuroids could compete with them. Sapient crows:Even more intelligent than phorusrhacidoids and dark ravens, these crows have reached human intelligence. As big as eagles, these crows make elaborate nests as complex as Paleolithic huts for their eggs, and make fires during the winter. Megalodonoid:14 m long shark. In the absence of any competition(At least from tetrapods outside titanophis.),this shark rules the oceans as dunkleosteus terrelli(Among many others.)did before, with even sapient octopi avoiding them. Giant galago:With no monkeys, galagos were left to take over the arboreal monkey niche unopposed, growing in size in the process. Unlike monkeys, galagos could venture on the ground like kangaroos, making them less vulnerable to deforestation. Their hands could be used for more complex tool use than greater notomys and giant jerboas. Neoparrot:Descended from Australian parrots, These eagle sized birds developped human intelligence by changing situations demanding them to come up with solutions(A bit like what happened with humans.). Similar to sapient crows, but more terrestrial and live in smaller numbers in comparison. As for the microfauna of the future, it will largely look like the survivors of the extinction themselves. The extinction will have largely affected their evolution as such: More terrestrial habits for climbing animals(Gennets, sugar gliders, galagos, etc...) and swimming animals(Frogs, turtles, crocodiles, etc...). Smaller sizes than was available during the holocene(Flamingos, crocodiles, storks, etc...). More omnivorous habits for fruit eating animals(Turacos, galagos, parrots, etc...). Less dependence on aquatic animals(Pelecaniformes, podicipediformes, suliformes, etc...). As for land invertebrates, more or less the same rules as for the rest of the fauna follows. If it's either a jungle specialist or a freshwater specialist it won't survive the extinction unless it adapts. Mollusks and arthropods have the advantage of small size, at least some resistance to radiations, the fact that overhunting is nothing to them, the fact that some of those directly benefit from pollution, the fact that(At least arthropods.) they tend to evolve faster than tetrapods(Which means even jungle and freshwater specialists have a chance to survive.), the fact that some can survive even within the salt deserts(Brine flies.) or even antarctica as pure terrestrial residents(Belgica antarctica.), domination of the surface(Insects.) as well as the fact that the northern hemisphere would still be inhabitable for them on top of the whole equatorial zone. Ocean life would have to endure anoxic events, like previous mass extinctions(Though it is almost impossible that the extinction will be as bad as the permian.), so anything that can survive that would survive the extinction, like fishes, cnidarians(who are even benefitting of this extinction.), crustaceans and mollusks, amongst many others, did before(Bottom dwellers would have a slightly easier time, but pelagic and coastal animals will be deeply affected, and megafaunas tend not to survive such events, even as bottom dwellers.). Edited by number8192, Jul 8 2017, 07:56 PM.

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El Dorito	Mar 19 2016, 06:38 AM Post #16
chlorinated opthalmic trigonometric shape of conspiracy and dank memes Posts: 400 Group: Members Member #1,763 Joined: Sep 15, 2015 Gender: Male Nationality: Australian/Tasmanian Favorite Quote: Colour is not real, it is something your brain makes up to make sense of the world. What you can't see has no colour at all. Also known as: Da Sloth M8, KaptainWombat Gender: clearly I am a chlorinated opthalmic trigonomic shape of conspitacy and dank memes	Humans aren't neotenic. As described above, neoteny is when something developes the ability to reproduce without becoming its adult form, like axolotles. Humans are pretty much the archetype of a non-neotenic animal, as are pretty much all mammals. Basically if humans were neotenic then everyone would look like really tall 10 year olds... wow thats a scary thought... It is also different to having the potential to breed before adulthood ('adulthood' in humans is about 23 onwards, but sexually active people can be as young as 11, and most people are by the age of 13).
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number8192	Jul 30 2016, 05:02 AM Post #17
Infant Posts: 86 Group: Members Member #1,891 Joined: Mar 17, 2016	Any toughts on vervets surviving? Their females are 3.4 to 5.5 kg heavy, which looks acceptable, but the males are 3.9 to 8 kg heavy, which looks a bit on the heavy side. Vervets already inhabit the Somalian and Kalahari deserts, but need water everyday. They are adaptable, omnivorous and the most successful of all monkeys in africa, but is that enough to survive a post global warming desert? I am including the tantalus monkey and the other Chlorocebus members in this, not just vervets. Anyone thinks they could interbreed somehow in case they became low in population? Edited by number8192, Jul 30 2016, 08:13 AM.



peashyjah	Jul 30 2016, 08:21 PM Post #18
Bydo Posts: 983 Group: Members Member #1,744 Joined: Aug 14, 2015 Gender: Male Area of expertise: Future Evolution Nationality: American Favorite Quote: "Let's get stupid loud!" from SMFA. "You can't brush your damn teeth without a damn hook!!! " from Squidbillies.............. Gender: Male	What if the Vervets increase in species population?
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number8192	Jul 31 2016, 05:29 AM Post #19
Infant Posts: 86 Group: Members Member #1,891 Joined: Mar 17, 2016	That would probably just leave fewer resources to spread around(And the monkeys of the genus Chlorocebus which vervets belong to are already the most numerous monkeys in all of africa.).



number8192	Sep 10 2016, 09:34 AM Post #20
Infant Posts: 86 Group: Members Member #1,891 Joined: Mar 17, 2016	Here are a bunch of animals i am not sure about: Procellariformes Aardwolf Raccoon Seals Red fox Caracal Serval Jackals Otters Peccaries Common duiker Goats Rock wallabies Green monkeys Macaques Baboons Langurs Scandentia Given my scenario, any toughts on them surviving? (As far as my research is concerned, they're all dead, but i'd like to hear other people's opinions. Keep in mind that outside Antarctica and the surrounding islands, the world is basically one huge desert by 20 000 years in the future, with all but the southern hemisphere radioactive, and even that not being in too good shape.)



Zorcuspine	Sep 10 2016, 12:20 PM Post #21
Enjoying our azure blue world Posts: 3,693 Group: Global Mods Member #327 Joined: Jun 12, 2010 Gender: Male Nationality: USA Favorite Quote: "You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty." Mahatma Gandhi	Of those, I definitely think some small petrels, raccoons, goats, rock wallabies, and treeshrews would survive. You said the Southern Hemisphere was hit slightly less hard, so the duiker would probably survive, and macaques and&or baboons could possibly survive (but probably wouldn't.) The rest make sense to go extinct imo.



number8192	Sep 10 2016, 01:35 PM Post #22
Infant Posts: 86 Group: Members Member #1,891 Joined: Mar 17, 2016	Main reason i wasn't sure about those: Petrels:Too ocean dependant, Since the oceans will be acidified, polluted and full of hydrogen sulfide, even getting near the coast would be dangerous, where they lay their eggs. They would have to survive further inland to have a chance, and to find their food away from the ocean where the mass extinction will probably be even worse, including for the animals the petrels eats. They would have to live as xerocoles. Racoons:They live in the northern hemisphere and would have to migrate southward, with the heat coming from the equatorial zone, they would logically migrate northward, but if the mexican desert was to expand fast enough, it could force some of them to migrate southward, hence my uncertainty. Goats:Big animals(Compared to the other survivors.)that need huge amounts of food. With no real predators to control their population, they would strip the land of food then die of hunger. Even if that wasn't the case, i doubt there would be enough food for them considering what little plant will survive(In general, outside the oceans, big grazers are the most affected by mass extinctions.). If they are to survive somewhere, australia would be the obvious choice. Rock wallabies:Unknown population trends with heavy hints toward decreasing, and a small territory that used to be bigger hints toward a possible extinction, especially with goats around. Any additional pressures would probably overwhelm them at this rate. If they are to survive, petrogale purpureicollis and petrogale rotschildi would be the best bets. Treeshrews:Live on islands, they cannot migrate anywhere, and their population trends are already decreasing. The only way they could survive is if they were introduced somehow to south america, south africa or australia. Common duiker:Already affected by a decreasing population trend, and require substantially more food than the other survivors due to their size(To compare with the salt's dik dik, 2.5/4 kg vs 12/25 kg.), but otherwise they should probably be fine. Macaques:Would logically migrate northward seeing as they live nowhere near the southern hemisphere. Would have to migrate southward from the united states to survive(And they are in the united states only by introduction.). Baboons:Require a lot of food, especially the males, and mankind battling for the last resources would probably have them killed as bushmeat like the majority of megafaunal animals due to their size, but otherwise they could probably survive. The main question here is:Am i overestimating this extinction? If i am a lot more animals would survive. Thanks zorcuspine!! I really need the peer review. Feel free to tell me where i got anything wrong. Edited by number8192, Sep 11 2016, 06:47 AM.



number8192	Sep 11 2016, 04:46 AM Post #23
Infant Posts: 86 Group: Members Member #1,891 Joined: Mar 17, 2016	Here are more animals i'm not sure about: toothed whales penguins bandicoots caecilians salamanders My two cents is that the extinction in the oceans would kill most of the animals toothed whales depend on for survival, same for penguins combined with a hot temperature they aren't adapted to, xerocole bandicoots are endangered right now, caecilians are not xerocoles at all and the few salamanders that are xerocoles right now live in the northern hemisphere and will probably migrate northward.



peashyjah	Sep 11 2016, 09:42 AM Post #24
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Dragonthunders	Sep 12 2016, 11:51 AM Post #25
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number8192	Sep 12 2016, 01:58 PM Post #26
Infant Posts: 86 Group: Members Member #1,891 Joined: Mar 17, 2016	Now we are getting somewhere(Thanks Dragonthunders!). 1:They lay their eggs in the water? If so, i'd like a video of it(I believe you, i just want to see it with my own eyes.). 2:If my extinction is nowhere as bad as i tought. Yeah, the petrels would probably survive(probably in antarctica.). 3:With all the nuclear powerplants in the united states and the heating of the equatorial zone, i don't see them surviving unless my scenario isn't as catastrophic as i tought. They are xerocoles, yes, but they need to migrate southward to have a chance(Unless as you said, the scenario isn't that bad.). 4:I mentioned australia mostly because they are an invasive species there, but south america would arguably be an even better spot. The issue is not them finding food, it's them finding enough food to sustain a stable population. 5:The east antarctic ice sheet is to be melted by 10 000 years in the future. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_far_future I am fully aware that yellowstone will have probably no more impact than toba, but i doubt it would lessen the damage all that much, if anything that's more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere(The siberian traps certainly didn't helped in the permian, for instance.). Feel free to tell me where i got anything wrong and please tell me your opinion on the other potential survivors i am doubtful toward, especially aardwolf, red fox, caracal, serval, jackals, common duiker, rock wallabies, green monkeys and baboons. Edited by number8192, Sep 12 2016, 02:16 PM.



GlarnBoudin	Sep 12 2016, 02:13 PM Post #27
Disgusting Skin Fetishist Posts: 1,902 Group: Members Member #1,641 Joined: Feb 15, 2015 Gender: Male Area of expertise: Alternate Evolution Nationality: United States Favorite Quote: "My armour is like tenfold shields, my teeth are swords, my claws spears, the shock of my tail a thunderbolt, my wings a hurricane, and my breath death!" Gender: What is a gender? A miserable pile of secrets!	Peccaries would probably be fine. They're already desert animals. Same goes for caracals. Jackals would also do alright - they're basically African coyotes.
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number8192	Sep 12 2016, 02:29 PM Post #28
Infant Posts: 86 Group: Members Member #1,891 Joined: Mar 17, 2016	Thanks GlarnBoudin! Peccaries have the same problem as goats, size. Though they are omnivorous, which helps. Depending on how bad the scenario is, a lot more animals would survive, but we need to establish how bad the scenario would be first. Caracals and jackals are basically bigger cats and fennecs, but the bigger part is the problem and the cause of my uncertainty(Think of how even generalistic animals like dromaeosaurs and ammonites died during the cretaceous extinction. This is why i am conservative with the survivors.).



Dragonthunders	Sep 12 2016, 02:49 PM Post #29
The ethereal archosaur in blue Posts: 3,039 Group: Global Mods Member #690 Joined: Jan 22, 2012 Gender: Male Nationality: Salvadoran Favorite Quote: "There is only one war that can afford the human being: the war against their extinction" Isaac Asimov Also known as: DT, thunders Gender: still male	Quote: 1:They lay their eggs in the water? If so, i'd like a video of it(I believe you, i just want to see it with my own eyes.). You are serious or kidding me? Quote: 3:With all the nuclear powerplants in the united states and the heating of the equatorial zone, i don't see them surviving unless my scenario isn't as catastrophic as i tought. The main problem I see about this is that there is no explanation of why or how it happens, I can understand that there are chances of a potential radioactive accident in the future (something like to fukushima) however, that all nuclear plants are melted, it is... improbable. Just to wonder, did you take this idea from that documentary about "Life after people", which state that withoutn human care, the radioactive powerplants would melt? Also I feel you're overestimating the effects of increased temperature around the equator, if that zone becomes warmer, it will be a completely green tropical area after a few hundred years, it would still be habitable, of course it would tend to face cycles of rain and drought more chaotic. Quote: I am fully aware that yellowstone will have probably no more impact than toba, but i doubt it would lessen the damage all that much, if anything that's more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere The thing is that a supervolcano launches a lot of material into the atmosphere, which reflects much of the solar radiation, it is something that always happens, the last eruption in Iceland caused a slight drop in temperatures, also krakatoa changed enough temperatures around the world. 1883 eruption of Krakatoa Average global temperatures fell by as much as 1.2 degrees Celsius in the year following the eruption. Weather patterns continued to be chaotic for years and temperatures did not return to normal until 1888. In a supervolcano scale, it would that would be enough to lower global temperatures and counteract climate change. Quote: (The siberian traps certainly didn't helped in the permian, for instance.). That's a wrong comparison, the siberian traps are not the same as a supervolcano. The siberian traps are part of the basalt flood, great volcanic events of great magnitud which lasted tens of thousands of years; in the case of supervolcano, depending on its magnitude, only it erupts once and for a limited time, spewing pyroclastic material into the atmosphere.
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number8192	Sep 12 2016, 03:33 PM Post #30
Infant Posts: 86 Group: Members Member #1,891 Joined: Mar 17, 2016	To Dragonthunders. 1:(Yes, i was serious. You said Unless the birds lay their eggs in the water, and i tought you were literal. Sorry, i imagine that's not what you meant.)If they lay their eggs in or near the water, hydrogen sulfide would probably affect them anyway(Correct if wrong.). 2:All it takes for a nuclear powerplant to go into meltdown is lack of maintenance, unless they are fully decomissioned, which is unlikely to happen due to their numbers and everyone barely surviving by that point. The nuclear powerplants will not melt per se, but leak radiation everywhere around them, which is likely to go upwards along with the heat. As for the world wide desert, this is not just due to the heat, but the pollution and the degradation of the soils, as well(Otherwise it would just look like the cretaceous.). 3:Thanks for clearing the difference between a supervolcano and a flood basalt. Now all that's left is to know if the yellowstone supervolcano is gonna erupt before the next ice age(Otherwise, it won't impact much.). Thanks for your time and correcting my mistakes. Edited by number8192, Sep 12 2016, 03:51 PM.



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