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Them and Us; The Discussion of the Neandertal Predation Theory
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Topic Started: Feb 18 2016, 08:00 PM (711 Views)
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Feb 18 2016, 08:00 PM
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Hello. I've recently discovered a book that talks about a "revolutionary" discovery of the livelihood of Neandertals...as in they were more akin to a gorilla, were full blown carnivores (even downright cannibals) and hunted and eaten any Homo sapiens that lived nearby-even raping the females of our ancestors.
...To be perfectly honest, I think it's nothing more than a cheap science fiction plot set-up, not something to take seriously (especially the part where Neandertals raped H. sapiens females whenever they could-I mean, really, can you spell out "demonizing" more blatantly?) But I wanna hear your thoughts on this.
P.S. Sorry if there's a thread about this already
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Feb 18 2016, 08:04 PM
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Sounds like a load of horseshit to me
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Feb 18 2016, 08:12 PM
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This is actually a few years old, and it's complete BS. Not much more to it than that.
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Feb 18 2016, 08:25 PM
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I recommend reading this post from this thread if this is the same idea that appeared on that 'documentary' a while back
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Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.
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Welll, neanderthals raping humans certainly doesn't seem far-fetched, and I'm sure that they would've eaten human flesh on occasion (didn't they cannibalize members of their own species as is?), but this takes those to huge extremes.
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Neadnerthals are humans, numbnuts. They can't 'eat human flesh' or 'rape humans' because they are humans.
It's just regular cannibalism and rape.
More likely is that we naturally bred with them. MMMMM, dat sloped forehead.
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Neadnerthals are humans, numbnuts. They can't 'eat human flesh' or 'rape humans' because they are humans.
It's just regular cannibalism and rape.
More likely is that we naturally bred with them. MMMMM, dat sloped forehead. When you say it like that...it makes the theory even more stupid. Cause yes, Neandertals are a species of human-they aren't like some 10 ft tall rampaging sex crazy gorillas or anything.
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Not even a species; they were a subspecies.
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Plus, I mean, come on. We're Homo sapiens. Members of this species are known to rape sheep so it wouldn't be too far fetched to assume our ancestors did a little raping of our neanderthal cousins too.
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P.S. Sorry if there's a thread about this already There's actually at least two old threads on this: http://s1.zetaboards.com/Conceptual_Evolution/topic/4837807/1/ and http://s1.zetaboards.com/Conceptual_Evolution/topic/5107795/1/
In any case, its nonsense. The worst part is probably when Vendramini superimposes a Neanderthal skull onto a chimpanzee skull to supposedly argue that they looked more chimp-like than human-like. This argument can be shattered by something as simple as merely looking at the types of skulls in question, or even just at photos or drawings of them.
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Not even a species; they were a subspecies. Last I checked wasn't that considered highly unlikely? I thought they were solidly considered a distinct species, not under Homo sapiens.
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Yeah, and even if you don't agree with creationists on that concept, that doesn't mean they can't be decent people. I have friends who are creationist (possibly even young earth) that I get along with fine in general life. I don't think they're right of course, but that doesn't make them intellectual degenerates. ~~The Words of forbidden3
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But Souls are delicious. They're like bacon - they taste good on anything. But if you eat them, you completely remove them from existence! They can't move on or... or be reincarnated! Huh. I never really gave it much thought. Besides, what do you mean by reincarnation anyway? You know, being reborn as someone or something else. Which means different body, different memories, different experiences, yes? So isn't being reborn as "something else" the same as being "removed from existence"? I... I... eating souls isn't right! That depends on your definition of "right". All living things survive by eating other living things. So what? You're a god. You should be above all that! Gods are above living things, which doesn't necessarily mean we care about them.
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Not even a species; they were a subspecies.
Last I checked wasn't that considered highly unlikely? I thought they were solidly considered a distinct species, not under Homo sapiens. Considering there is a portion of the population that has Neanderthal DNA, I'd say they're a subspecies.
Interbreeding between different species can't produce enough fertile offspring to leave that much of a notable footprint on the gene pool.
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Interbreeding between different species can't produce enough fertile offspring to leave that much of a notable footprint on the gene pool.
Species is an arbitrary group, they can play by any rules they want. Many brown bear populations had polar bear breed into it at some point, and the same with some species in Panthera apparently. This gets even worse with other groups other than mammals. Red factor canaries are the result of hybrids between the domestic canary (Serinus canaria) and the red siskin (Spinus cucullata), animals of different genera.
Hybrids are weird.
I don't think it particularly matters, but I don't think neanderthals are universally considered subspecies of H. sapiens and there's more evidence against that position. We're still pretty closely related to them no matter what we call them.
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