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Feathernazis; a rant
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This topic is just cancer. Pure, filtered cancer.

Glarn, why?
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Or get butthurt when reality denies the delusion of Maya.

Not that "feathernazis" are any better. Though not always true, 7/10 dinosaur post-modern dinosaur enthusiasts should invest more time learning about other species instead of masturbating over Emily Willoughby's art.
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This topic is just cancer. Pure, filtered cancer.

Glarn, why?
Imagine if someone didn't like how Sheather wrote Sheatheria. Now imagine if, instead of just not reading the project, that person than made a parody project called Shitheria that mocked every possible aspect of the project, and constantly moaned and whined about Sheatheria on its thread. Tell me, how would you feel? Because that's the shit I've been putting up with everywhere I look on the Internet for years now. I'm taking a stand for something I like, because goddammit, nobody else will.
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I hope you're just being silly, but birds don't have scales under their feathers.
While this is true, and likely is for non-avian dinosaurs to, but non-avian dinosaurs do have feathers on other parts of the body from scales. See Juravenator, it has naked skin, scales, and feathers on different parts of the body, and it might not even be a coelurosaur. It's also indisputable that scales preserve much easier than feathers.

In general, I agree with your point though.

Mind you, I also agree that dinosaurs can look better in scales in some cases (look at something like the WWD Allosaurus, or any of Julius Csotonyi or Doug Henderson's art), but I'm not gonna get into this mess.
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Feb 7 2016, 07:19 PM
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This topic is just cancer. Pure, filtered cancer.

Glarn, why?
Imagine if someone didn't like how Sheather wrote Sheatheria. Now imagine if, instead of just not reading the project, that person than made a parody project called Shitheria that mocked every possible aspect of the project, and constantly moaned and whined about Sheatheria on its thread. Tell me, how would you feel? Because that's the shit I've been putting up with everywhere I look on the Internet for years now. I'm taking a stand for something I like, because goddammit, nobody else will.


Nice try, but no.

Sheatheria is a fictional product.

Dinosaur reconstructions are spreading misinformation on something that actually existed, for immoral reasons.

Plus, you seriously have that perspective backwards. But then again, what else can I expect from someone unironicly making this a crusade?

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Feb 7 2016, 07:20 PM
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I hope you're just being silly, but birds don't have scales under their feathers.
While this is true, and likely is for non-avian dinosaurs to, but non-avian dinosaurs do have feathers on other parts of the body from scales. See Juravenator, it has naked skin, scales, and feathers on different parts of the body, and it might not even be a coelurosaur. It's also indisputable that scales preserve much easier than feathers.

In general, I agree with your point though.

Mind you, I also agree that dinosaurs can look better in scales in some cases (look at something like the WWD Allosaurus, or any of Julius Csotonyi or Doug Henderson's art), but I'm not gonna get into this mess.


Many birds like owls do show a mosaic of feathers and scales on their feet, and so do at least a few feathered non-avian dinosaurs.
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Hey GlarnBoudin, if you have problems with extremists it is fine, but do not come to plague the forum with the stupid hate about this kids fight.
Oh yeah, because nobody's EVER been dickish about this before. Remember my Ark thread? Out of all the discussion threads I've seen here, not one devolved as quickly as that one did. The entire thing was basically a contest of "who can shit on Ark: Survival Evolved the most".

To everyone, I'm certainly not disputing the fact that dinosaurs had feathers-they definitely did. I have no problems with the idea of feathered dinosaurs-in fact, I grew up with the idea of feathered dromaeosaurs. What I do have a problem with is the fact that you people decided to take that information and use it as an excuse to say, "Because this thing really looked like this, I'm going to tell anyone who ever draws it with even the slightest change that their opinion is wrong and that they should be ashamed for 'betraying' nature by depicting said thing in such a way."

To Russwallac, you do realize that Johnfaa alone has pulled shit on a much greater caliber than this multiple times, right?

To Hybrid, thanks for pointing those out, actually. I was referring to the Dodorex as the 'biggest, baddest creature'. Also, that texture artist is not back with The Isle-she tried applying for a job with Saurian, but they literally just laughed when they saw her application. She's actually working for Mesozoica now, revamping all of their textures.
As for palaeofail, I sadly don't think that there's a way to prove that I submitted those pieces-I'm pretty sure that only the one who runs the blog has access to that.
I used that one asshole as an example-again, something I should have stated-due to the fact that he has a large following, has made a lot of shit like the stuff I showed, and his attitude towards anyone who disagrees with him is, "I'm the smartest person in the world, I have scientific followers, those who like what I dislike are my enemies, so I'll do everything in my scientific power to put them down so I can build myself up further. I'm smarter than they are, no matter how much I don't know about that guy, I just know I'm smarter."
Dinosaur Island is a crappy movie that only made money because a crapload of feathernazis creamed themselves over the idea of a rainbow-colored feathered T-rex in a film, causing them to completely forget about the fact that the film was incredibly crappy.

To Sayornis, I meant the animal as a whole-something I should have elaborated on. We're never going to know dinosaurs' metabolisms or behaviors, what sounds they made (Besides the hadrosaurs), what they smelt like, how they raised young. Ultimately, all we're going to get is ancient traces of what once was.
Also, you do have a point there with the scaled raptor, although whether or not it would get chilly depends on the environment.

Think about it this way. Say that a game depicts dragons slightly differently than other games do-let's say with poisonous gas as a breath weapon, and as a result, shitloads of dragon fanboys start shitting on the game mercilessly, saying that the game's dragons aren't 'real' dragons, but "plagued lizards" or something along those lines, creating thousands of pieces of art, videos, online rants, etc. That's essentially what's happening here with dinosaurs. People can do what they want with a setting in fiction-if they want scaled dinosaurs, there is nothing wrong with that, no matter how much you whine about it.
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Feb 7 2016, 07:30 PM
To Russwallac, you do realize that Johnfaa alone has pulled shit on a much greater caliber than this multiple times, right?

Oh now you have to back that one up. With evidence.

Which you will be unable to do.


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I used that one asshole as an example-again, something I should have stated-due to the fact that he has a large following, has made a lot of shit like the stuff I showed, and his attitude towards anyone who disagrees with him is, "I'm the smartest person in the world, I have scientific followers, those who like what I dislike are my enemies, so I'll do everything in my scientific power to put them down so I can build myself up further. I'm smarter than they are, no matter how much I don't know about that guy, I just know I'm smarter."
Dinosaur Island is a crappy movie that only made money because a crapload of feathernazis creamed themselves over the idea of a rainbow-colored feathered T-rex in a film, causing them to completely forget about the fact that the film was incredibly crappy.


Don't cut yourself with that edge.

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To Sayornis, I meant the animal as a whole-something I should have elaborated on. We're never going to know dinosaurs' metabolisms or behaviors, what sounds they made (Besides the hadrosaurs), what they smelt like, how they raised young. Ultimately, all we're going to get is ancient traces of what once was.
Also, you do have a point there with the scaled raptor, although whether or not it would get chilly depends on the environment.


This debate has been settled long ago. Tellingly, you have to ignore tons of studies in order to still argue for any sort of ambiguoity in dinosaur metabolisms.

And no, every environment is hostile to integrument less endothermic predators, as nature has demonstrated so far.

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Think about it this way. Say that a game depicts dragons slightly differently than other games do-let's say with poisonous gas as a breath weapon, and as a result, shitloads of dragon fanboys start shitting on the game mercilessly, saying that the game's dragons aren't 'real' dragons, but "plagued lizards" or something along those lines, creating thousands of pieces of art, videos, online rants, etc. That's essentially what's happening here with dinosaurs. People can do what they want with a setting in fiction-if they want scaled dinosaurs, there is nothing wrong with that, no matter how much you whine about it.


I see your're forced to ignore my post. How desperate.
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Hey GlarnBoudin, if you have problems with extremists it is fine, but do not come to plague the forum with the stupid hate about this kids fight.
Oh yeah, because nobody's EVER been dickish about this before. Remember my Ark thread? Out of all the discussion threads I've seen here, not one devolved as quickly as that one did. The entire thing was basically a contest of "who can shit on Ark: Survival Evolved the most".
If the only examples you can find are a few offsite links and a deliberately ludicrous project that parodies just about every "prehistoric park" concept in existence (it's much more than just "scaly dinos suck")... then I'd say our forum is not exactly a hive of feathernazi-izm and ARK hate. Was the other thread deleted? If so, that proves the mods don't approve of whatever hate there was.

(As an aside, aren't there lots of other valid complaints about the ARK game besides a lack of feathers? Such as some designs being plagiarized, I think.)

That point about dragons would be valid if dinosaurs weren't, you know, actual real creatures.
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Think about it this way. Say that a game depicts dragons slightly differently than other games do-let's say with poisonous gas as a breath weapon, and as a result, shitloads of dragon fanboys start shitting on the game mercilessly, saying that the game's dragons aren't 'real' dragons, but "plagued lizards" or something along those lines, creating thousands of pieces of art, videos, online rants, etc. That's essentially what's happening here with dinosaurs. People can do what they want with a setting in fiction-if they want scaled dinosaurs, there is nothing wrong with that, no matter how much you whine about it.
A dragon is not a real animal lol.

I mean, wow, it's not even hard to come up with an actual simile, like for example sharks, which are usually portrayed as unsatable killer machines that even destroy entire boats (Jaws) and sometimes even eat people while literally flying around for crying out loud (Sharknado). There, I made a better simile to your point and I don't even agree with it.
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Hey GlarnBoudin, if you have problems with extremists it is fine, but do not come to plague the forum with the stupid hate about this kids fight.
Oh yeah, because nobody's EVER been dickish about this before.
First, I never said that has never happened, I said do not try to start that child fight here.
Second, that aren't quite convincing examples, not even really relevant, one is a satire, would not
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Remember my Ark thread? Out of all the discussion threads I've seen here, not one devolved as quickly as that one did. The entire thing was basically a contest of "who can shit on Ark: Survival Evolved the most".

I was not there so I can not argue about it.

Honestly it sounds like you want to start a discussion trying to assume a plausible point, but still it tarnishes with both foolish and hateful comments showing a childish hatred towards these extremists.
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Remember my Ark thread? Out of all the discussion threads I've seen here, not one devolved as quickly as that one did. The entire thing was basically a contest of "who can shit on Ark: Survival Evolved the most".
I'm sorry... what? I just read over that. Cephylus said he actually kind of liked the game, me and Lamna said we really just didn't care much for the genre, Lamna said he wasn't really into "awesomebro" dinosaurs but didn't inherently say anything bad about it that was non-subjective. Hybrid said that they frankly weren't even good "awesomebro" dinosaurs, and if they were maybe he good enjoy it a bit. The worst that got was people saying it was kind of boring/meh, but nowhere anything close to "crapping on ARK" as you put it.
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Oh yeah

That's a parody.

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Remember my Ark thread? Out of all the discussion threads I've seen here, not one devolved as quickly as that one did. The entire thing was basically a contest of "who can shit on Ark: Survival Evolved the most".

That thread was pretty tame, last time I checked you were being more antagonizing then other people in the thread (with this post).

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What I do have a problem with is the fact that you people decided to take that information and use it as an excuse to say, "Because this thing really looked like this, I'm going to tell anyone who ever draws it with even the slightest change that their opinion is wrong and that they should be ashamed for 'betraying' nature by depicting said thing in such a way."

Strawman, are you going to keep doing these?

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I was referring to the Dodorex as the 'biggest, baddest creature'.

To be honest, that's the best design in the game, in my opinion that is.

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Also, that texture artist is not back with The Isle

Do you have a source?

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she tried applying for a job with Saurian, but they literally just laughed when they saw her application.

...Based on what evidence?

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As for palaeofail, I sadly don't think that there's a way to prove that I submitted those pieces-I'm pretty sure that only the one who runs the blog has access to that.

Then all you made was a claim.

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She's actually working for Mesozoica now

Mesozoica is a really bad team, and there's clear documentation of their actions.

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I used that one asshole

Ad hominem.

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something I should have stated-due to the fact that he has a large following

Oh no, we've heard you several times.

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I'm going to assume this a strawman.

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that only made money because a crapload of feathernazis creamed themselves over the idea of a rainbow-colored feathered T-rex in a film

Evidence? I remember seeing some people say "hey look, tyrannosaur with feathers, cool" and that's it. If anything, I've seen more people point out the inaccuracies of the film.

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We're never going to know dinosaurs' metabolisms or behaviors, what sounds they made (Besides the hadrosaurs), what they smelt like, how they raised young. Ultimately, all we're going to get is ancient traces of what once was.

That's a fallacy of some kind, maybe of ignorance. You treat these traces like we can't get any thing out of them, which we clearly can. We might not know everything about the species, but we can clearly know at least somethings from them. Saying "ultimately we will never know" is like giving up, and it's also an excuse for people that make clearly inaccurate depictions that don't want to accept that.

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Think about it this way. Say that a game depicts dragons slightly differently than other games do-let's say with poisonous gas as a breath weapon, and as a result, shitloads of dragon fanboys start shitting on the game mercilessly, saying that the game's dragons aren't 'real' dragons, but "plagued lizards" or something along those lines, creating thousands of pieces of art, videos, online rants, etc

Dragons aren't real. They can be interpreted, expanded, changed, without much debate. I think Flisch's simile with sharks makes much more sense. They even have their own version of i-rex (sharktopus). With that comparison though, we can clearly see the impact on the sharks themselves. Of course non-avian dinosaurs have been extinct for a long time, while sharks are still being hunted.
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We're never going to know dinosaurs' metabolisms or behaviors
In these two particular examples, that's not entirely true. I suppose with metabolisms you could argue we don't know 100% are tests are right, but ichnites can tell us 100% at least some behaviours. Even normal fossils. We know that Microraptor sometimes ate fish. That's a behaviour.
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But you admit in your own sentence that this statement has an exception in lambeosaurine hadrosaurs.
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how they raised young
But we do. We know that some oviraptorosaurs sat on their nests, using their wings to cover their eggs. We know that troodontids and hadrosaurs practiced nest site fidelity. We know for nearly certain that sauropods gave no care to their young.
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