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| Feathernazis; a rant | |
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| Topic Started: Feb 7 2016, 05:22 PM (2,374 Views) | |
| Carlos | Feb 7 2016, 06:27 PM Post #16 |
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That's like saying bird foot impressions are convincing evidence of scaly birds. Sure, some dinosaurs were probably fully scaly (sauropods, large ornithischians, maybe ceratosaurs), but most dinosaur skin impressions come from places known to not be indicative of overall integrument in feathered species (legs, chest/belly and tail underside). Tellingly, we only have scaly skin impressions of a select few groups, most of which large, specialsied species. Theropods, small ornithopods, even non-sauropod sauropodomorphs were probably fluffy animals. As to the OP, fuck you. There are so many things wrong in a factual and ethical sense to sit down and talk about each and every single one of them. Edited by Carlos, Feb 7 2016, 06:29 PM.
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| Dragon | Feb 7 2016, 06:31 PM Post #17 |
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| Russwallac | Feb 7 2016, 06:31 PM Post #18 |
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Come to think of it, I haven't seen ANY arguments about feathered dinosaurs on this forum until this topic was made. |
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| Sayornis | Feb 7 2016, 06:33 PM Post #19 |
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I take issue with the notion, which the OP seems to endorse, that a featherless raptor would be no less deadly than a feathered one. If the "raptor prey restraint theory" (that they used feathered wings for stability when killing prey) is correct, that's pretty blatantly false. It's like saying that a plucked chicken could fly just as well as a feathered one. Also the critter would be susceptible to sunburn and cold and other hazards that tend to impede hunting ability, poor baby. Also, as for the statement that "we just don't know what dinosaurs looked like"-- how does preserved feather pigment in Anchiornis, Sinosauropteryx, and others not count? Or do they not matter to this discussion because they're not Things What Kill You? Edited by Sayornis, Feb 7 2016, 06:43 PM.
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| Nyarlathotep | Feb 7 2016, 06:42 PM Post #20 |
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The Creeping Chaos
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Looks like Glarn is commiting a strawman fallacy himself by the looks of things. |
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| Flisch | Feb 7 2016, 06:44 PM Post #21 |
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Superhuman
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Not to mention that this specific argument doesn't help the OP's point. If there really was no difference between the two versions, except that one is accurate and one is not, then why go with the inaccurate one? I mean I know why, because naked dinosaurs look more like movie monsters rather than living animals, and you don't want animals in monster movies like Jurassic Park. But it seems as if the OP is in denial of this fact. I mean, you can like naked theropods, but calling them "dinosaurs with artistic liberty" is a bit disingenuous. They're movie monsters, not actual animals. |
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| lamna | Feb 7 2016, 06:45 PM Post #22 |
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We've got lots of evidence of hadrosaurs, including quite large sections of skin, and all of it points towards them being covered in scales. The still unpublished Triceratops skin is also scaly. We don't have enough evidence yet to say precisely who was or wasn't fluffy, whether fluff was basal to Ornithodira or evolved multiple times. Did some dinosaurs not develop it, or did they secondarily lose it? But some dinosaurs were naked-skinned. We've got the fossils. There is nowhere for the fluff to go. ![]() Edited by lamna, Feb 7 2016, 06:46 PM.
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| Carlos | Feb 7 2016, 06:48 PM Post #23 |
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Like I said, a few specialsied groups. All of them even within the same ecological morphospace: large herbivores. |
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| Nyarlathotep | Feb 7 2016, 06:51 PM Post #24 |
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The Creeping Chaos
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Well, it is true that the alleged integument on smaller megalosaurs and charcharadontsaurs is disputed in value, as they are much more sparse, different in structure and location than with coelurosaurs (which almost noone questions were feathered), plus the alleged patterns have other explanations. That said, it had to come from somewhere. |
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| Hybrid | Feb 7 2016, 06:52 PM Post #25 |
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Overgeneralization, the DeviantArt group is actually pretty nice and the name is purely satirical.
Strawman, one of many to come.
That's a subjective opinion, stop treating it like it isn't. Plus, there's so much entries that saying that assumes you've seen them all.
That message is everywhere though, it's not becoming rare. It's to the point that many people irrationally fear genetic engineering (or "genetic modification", since many people don't know that selective breeding is genetic modification).
Strawman.
Many times not incredibly accurately, but then again paleontological books become outdated rather fast.
That's ironic, considering you're being one yourself. Do you even know the definition of the word?
Yet everything else that should have feathers don't or not correct, that's inconsistency (which I see a lot in Ark's designs).
Isn't the largest creature in the game featherless (Giganotosaurus)? To be honest, I haven't played the game, so excuse me if I sound a bit ignorant on the topic. Plus, bad ass is in many ways subjective.
Something you're not being at the moment.
It would make sense for them to be more accurate, considering the dinosaurs are still in the same genus as their extinct ancestors. I know they're genetically engineered or something, but that's cheating.
Are you talking about the game, because the movie had very very minimal feathers (quills, really). They even had a feathered lizard in one scene. and a bird(s?).
Because everyone who you call a 'feathernazi' was involved in the discussion.
Ad hominem, nice touch.
That's the point of the blog, it's the point out inaccuracies in things about prehistory. What did you expect, Mary fucking Poppins?
Evidence?
Because one person represents them all, right?
Hey look, two more people.
How mature.
That's not the whole side of the story, stop pretending like it is. Last time I checked, she's back with them now (not entirely sure about that).
Based on what, them actually trying to be accurate?
What even is that movie? I've heard about it once, but never again afterwards. I'm pretty sure that's not a good example by any means.
Aw yeah, more strawman!
Aw yeah, another ad hominem!
Because you don't know the actual definition.
Hypocrisy!
Aren't you doing that right now?
Aren't you the one fueling the fire?
If someone is trying to make accurate dinosaurs, I would say it's good to care to depict which dinosaurs with the correct (or plausible) integument. I will say though that more accurate prehistoric creatures should be depicted, but that's because I want a more scientifically informed populace.
We kinda have more evidence against it having such quills.
Not really, it wouldn't do well in the elements and would probably impede its method of hunting. |
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| lamna | Feb 7 2016, 06:55 PM Post #26 |
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Carnosaurus? From head to tail, scales. |
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| Carlos | Feb 7 2016, 06:56 PM Post #27 |
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The most recent evaluation of Concavenator (even applauded by Darren Naish) pretty much establishes the presence of feathers in carcharodontosaurs, though. Plus, dinosaurian scales are proven to be derived from feathers. If nothing else that implies secondary feather loss. |
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| Carlos | Feb 7 2016, 06:56 PM Post #28 |
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See comment above |
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| Adman | Feb 7 2016, 07:01 PM Post #29 |
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Totally not lamna
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This topic is just cancer. Pure, filtered cancer. Glarn, why? |
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| lamna | Feb 7 2016, 07:11 PM Post #30 |
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My point is simply that not all dinosaurs were covered in feathers, and that needs to be taken into account. Basel fluff that could be lost make most sense. Unfortunately, it seems that scales can then turn back into feathers pretty easily, we've done it with chickens and pigeons in just a few thousand years of selective breeding. Which makes things really confusing. At the moment I don't feel confident about any dinosaurs life appearance unless we actually have fossils showing it, especially the larger ones. Edited by lamna, Feb 7 2016, 07:12 PM.
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