Future Earth: 10 to 50 million years later

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Future Earth: 10 to 50 million years later; Overhall of the Noagene, Akupantagene and of the Lemozoit
Topic Started: Jan 22 2016, 02:38 PM (2,899 Views)
Victorbrine	Jan 22 2016, 02:38 PM Post #1
Adult Posts: 550 Group: Members Member #1,861 Joined: Jan 22, 2016 Gender: Male Nationality: French Indonesian Favorite Quote: We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard. Also known as: That guy who loves airplanes so much... and ringed planets...	Hey guys! It's my first time that I'm on the speculative evolution forum and I wanted to start a new thread! I am now starting a series called "Future earth"... well of course there are more things like what I am doing right now but I wanted to start my own one. If I accidentally copied someone else I apologies. I will indeed stage this series much like in TFIW (The Future Is Wild): 10myl, 50myl, 100myl, 150myl, 200myl and finally ~~300myl~~ (myl means million years later). I hope you enjoy and please... no flames cause I'm just starting. So are you ready to see how the world would evolve in my opinion? Good, then what are we waiting for? Let's start! Future Earth: 10 million years later Overhall: The continental plates are in constant move so I'm first gonna talk about the continents: Africa obviously rams into Europe, closing the Mediterranean sea. This sea starts to dry into a salt plain as the Atlas mountains continue to rise: they spread into Spain and "fuse" with the Pyrenees. The Bering sea shrinks to a strait making America and Siberia extremely close together but not attached. Australia moves north and causes the formation of "Burmia": a sub-continent formed by the Celebes, Borneo and the Philippines. Eastern Africa splits from the rest of Africa and is on it's way to India (I'll call this sub-continent Galeon). Arabia hits Iran, widening the Red Sea and expanding the Iranian Plateau. South America splits from North America, connecting the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean while Antarctica moves north to South America. A fault line is created in the northern part of Europe splitting Scandinavia from Russia. Great Britain moves north and closer to Scandinavia. Ocean currents change and delivers temperate and warm water all around the world. The world is still warming but sea level is almost intact (the area which was once known as Senegal is flooded and southern part of Mexico is underwater). Sumatra collides with Indochina while Java moves north to Burmia. Papua rejoins Australia creating Papaustralia. Anatolia and The Balkans collide, closing the Black Sea. Greenland starts to move south as well as Iceland. Animals don't change that much but some have evolved some special abilities: -Due to the Sahara transforming into a Rain Forest, O₂ level increases ans so does the insects and arachnids. -Cockroaches are able to fly while wasps evolve more ant like behaviors. -Iguanas become more aquatic which can lead to the recreation of the Plesiosaurs but from a different species. -~~Monitor Lizards become omnivorous.~~ -Birds diversify. -Jellyfishes become bigger especially those from the Physaliidae family. This period marks the beginning of the Noagene. I hope you liked it. Again I'm new here so please don't flame. Thanks for taking a look at this! Next I'll talk about some animals of some specific areas of the Noagene. Spoiler: click to toggle Der Tische von der Inhalt 10 myl 15 myl 20 myl 30 myl 45 myl 47 myl 50 myl Edited by Victorbrine, Mar 11 2016, 01:11 AM.
	“There's a tree," Starflight said, jumping to his feet. "In the forest." "No way," Glory said. "A tree in the forest?” "Ce corps qui s'appelait et qui s'appelle encore le saint empire romain n'était en aucune manière ni saint, ni romain, ni empire." -Voltaire "So if you wake up in the morning and it's a particularly beautiful day you'll know we made it." -Capa "One of those capsules hit a wing." Victor said. "Had to do an emergency landing." He pointed to a crumpled plane a couple dozen meters behind him and shrugged. "Not my most elegant landing." -me in Flisch's story "Spec Evo: Void Entry" (Act 3) "but by rule 34 of the multiverse, if it exists, there’s a world full of it." -Tet "I must ask you to leave now." -Everyone (not realy though) in Flisch's story "Spec Evo: Void Entry" Projects Status Current Projects Saturn: the second Earth Star Life Eo Future Projects Dyson's life Stand By Projects Technoterra Crimean Dragons Canceled Projects (they can be updated by any time) Eo's Biosphere Mars's second chance: alternative story of Mars and life Under the Ice of Europa: an adventure "next door" Aeromorpha Another Sun rose on the British Empire A Teardrop from Earth Finished Projects Future Earth 10 to 50 million years Minecraft: the cubic world My Blog (SE Blog) Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyBzYPIsLp0uHoPtT6ZEyww

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Hybrid	Feb 7 2016, 11:45 AM Post #46
May Specula Grant you Bountiful Spec! Posts: 1,957 Group: Global Mods Member #931 Joined: Jan 12, 2013 Gender: Male Nationality: Canadian Favorite Quote: "You know what, Hybrid? I'm going to start calling you "H-bomb", because you turn just about any thread you critique into an ugly pile of wreckage ;)"	Quote: Anthropomorphic climate change might last for at least 100000 years or maybe 1000 years. But we do have models to predict this, and they say the next ice age will happen about at least 50,000 years from now. Quote: Cooling can take a long time But they happen, they're called Milankovitch cycles. Quote: In final, the Earth experiences a period of cooling and heating. During the Hot Age, the Earth's temperature is a little higher (at least 3 C). There will not be a Hot Age, or at least a "hot age" that you described. Quote: When I say "tilt", basically don't expect for example Africa reaching the south pole or other things like that. The world also goes "downward" (moves south). At least 50 million years from now (I will say myfn) , much of the landmasses are at the equator. However it rises again to the north and "tilts" 100myfn. About 155myfn, Africa detaches from Pthe rest of the world. 100myfn, the world has a supercontinent known as Pantarctica (no, not Amasia or Pangea Ultima or anything, the reason is that it's... of course, different in some way). But that's for another day. You still haven't explained how this tilt would happen, stop trying to beat around the bush. In fact you still haven't answered a lot of my questions. Quote: Alaska and Siberia have finally united, closing the Bering strait. As always the Earth has another climatic change. This is it: it's a new Ice Age. Ice ages aren't that simple to make. Quote: But they're insects over there! How? Many insects already live in snow, some even in Antarctica. Quote: one that I forgot the name Couldn't you have just look back while writing this? Quote: These big insects You still haven't explain how these even happen in the midst of vertebrate competition and predators. Quote: They have evolve new ways such as "fur". The "fur" they have is nothing like the fur of a cat or like the hairs of a human but they still serve the same function. They help the body regulate temperature. But insects aren't endotherms, why would they need a dense layer of setae for thermoregulation? Quote: It's actually big, bigger than the actual Titan beetle. Why? Quote: However, unlike aphids or some cockroaches, snow beetle developed a sort of almost "placental" like features. The baby in the belly of the mother is fed through a tube that can be compared to an umbilical cord but isn't an umbilical cord. There is no placenta so the nutriments of the mother is shared directly with the baby. How would that evolve, and in only 30 million years? Quote: White wasp is a flightless wasp that lives in the same areas as the Snow beetle. Why are they flightless? Do they have no predators, because that's unlikely. Quote: Most insects are now as big as a cat. How? A mere change in the composition in the atmosphere wouldn't immediately allow insects to grow large. It would take most terrestrial vertebrates dying out to allow such a sight to occur again. Quote: There's the Gigantic Floridan Beetle, almost the same size as this armadillo. Still no explanation. Quote: Not if insects develop stronger exoskeleton and "internal structures" along with stronger legs. How would they evolve that? Quote: These "internal structures" are strong filaments that retains the exoskeleton from collapsing How would this evolve? Quote: Most insects during the beggining of the Akupantagene brief Ice age has seen their exoskeleton thickening in order to survive cold temperature It doesn't work like, and a thicker exoskeleton wouldn't help them get larger, it would just make them even heavier. Quote: The largest arthropod that ever lived on Earth was only at least 2.5 meters long but not so tall. The largest arthropods also lived in the sea, not on land. Quote: That's not an insect, that's a myriapod. The only reason they could get big was because there was initially no predators of arthropods on land besides other arthropods. It also doesn't match the proportions of your beetles at all. Quote: You can see that Jaekelopterus is almost as big as the Gigantic Floridan Beetle (with the claws) but Jaekelopterus was rather flat: You're ignoring that eurypterids were marine animals, and marine arthropods can get much bigger in water.
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Dragonthunders	Feb 7 2016, 12:16 PM Post #47
The ethereal archosaur in blue Posts: 3,039 Group: Global Mods Member #690 Joined: Jan 22, 2012 Gender: Male Nationality: Salvadoran Favorite Quote: "There is only one war that can afford the human being: the war against their extinction" Isaac Asimov Also known as: DT, thunders Gender: still male	Why do not you take a moment to investigate the reasons why invertebrates such as arthropods have not developed gigantic forms since Carboniferous times? No matter how they are structured internally, a large insect would need oxygen, and for this, it uses its trachea, which are open breathing systems operating in relation to the size of the animal. When you make an arthropod grow the need to also grow these tracheas because that sistem have a limited distribution range (Insects do not generally carry oxygen in their blood, the air is absorbed and distributed directly to the tissue), in addition to the exoskeleton becomes thicker, so they need more space. The distribution of the trachea, being limited, needs to increase in length, so it requires space, and that is problematic in large insects since increasing size must also increase the thickness of their exoskeletons, which is negative because this reduces the internal space, tissues remain tight, and the body does not work efficiently, could not move. There is the predation too, being greater make them more vulnerable to being eaten by insectivores. And that about "exoskeleton is hard and strong" is useless. Quote: Take an Ankylosaurus for example (a dinosaur), this Armadillo is half the size of the Ankylosaurus (this armadillo is approximatively 3 meters long and almost 1 meters tall). Why not use a glyptodon? Quote: But this mammal isn't the only big creature of the area. There's the Gigantic Floridan Beetle, almost the same size as this armadillo. This gigantic beetle is the descendant of the Titan Beetle. It's carnivorous, made with a shell harder than any beetles on Earth. It's also the predator of this Armadillo In the plausible scenario, armadillos would have come to make predatory niche before any beetle, we have evidence that they did, also, what happened with others animals? Quote: But this arthropod lived in the sea while the Gigantic Beetle is terrestrial. The beetle's exoskeleton is indeed stronger and thicker than today's arthropods (or stronger than Jaekelopterus???). You know, eurypterids have been able to achieve these lengths because they had no much predators in their respective environments and it's respiratory system were books gills, which are quite different from the respiratory systems of insects that are based on the trachea.
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Victorbrine	Feb 8 2016, 01:18 PM Post #48
Adult Posts: 550 Group: Members Member #1,861 Joined: Jan 22, 2016 Gender: Male Nationality: French Indonesian Favorite Quote: We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard. Also known as: That guy who loves airplanes so much... and ringed planets...	Hybrid Feb 7 2016, 11:45 AM Quote: The largest arthropod that ever lived on Earth was only at least 2.5 meters long but not so tall. The largest arthropods also lived in the sea, not on land. Quote: You can see that Jaekelopterus is almost as big as the Gigantic Floridan Beetle (with the claws) but Jaekelopterus was rather flat: You're ignoring that eurypterids were marine animals, and marine arthropods can get much bigger in water. Um... I said this: Quote: But this arthropod lived in the sea while the Gigantic Beetle is terrestrial. I already knew even before joining this forum that eurypterids were marine arthropods and that they live in water. And I already know that just before writing for the first time this project that eurypterids could reach enormous size because they had no predators and were in water. Which is why on the chart the Jaekelopterus is in the water: But stop dropping H-bombs (actually you still can... sort off... no just continue)! And yes, the Flightless Wasp has no predators. The reason it's flighless is that it evolved from actual flightless wasps: However only the female is flightless so it's the same with the White Flightless Wasp: the female kills its prey and lay eggs inside it. Also the gigantic beetle is flat but still has a thicker endoskeleton. But it is still bareable not just because the beetle has strong legs but also the endoskeleton is not EXTREMELY thick (at least 4.5 cm thick). Strong legs can support this mass and might make the beetle faster than you think (well not as fast as a cat running at least). This "tilt" thingy is mostly because I can't find any accurate words to describe this specific movement. Which is why tilt seems to be weird and illogical here. Quote: But they're insects over there! How? That part was just me trying to, with a little failure, try to make that guy who "expands the suspense" (or anything you call that "effect" or something). So I already knew that they're insects that lice in cold places. Quote: How would they evolve that? Quote: How would this evolve? Quote: It doesn't work like, and a thicker exoskeleton wouldn't help them get larger, it would just make them even heavier. The beetle is bigger due to high O2 level and few predators. The thicker endoskeleton makes the possibility to grow beigger and stronger legs to support the weight and have a good "maneuverability". Those "internal structures" is a error. No they don't have any "internal structures". Tomorrow I'll be busy as hell. I'll still try to post a long and hopefully a good answer. For now on I'll stop here but more things will come!
	“There's a tree," Starflight said, jumping to his feet. "In the forest." "No way," Glory said. "A tree in the forest?” "Ce corps qui s'appelait et qui s'appelle encore le saint empire romain n'était en aucune manière ni saint, ni romain, ni empire." -Voltaire "So if you wake up in the morning and it's a particularly beautiful day you'll know we made it." -Capa "One of those capsules hit a wing." Victor said. "Had to do an emergency landing." He pointed to a crumpled plane a couple dozen meters behind him and shrugged. "Not my most elegant landing." -me in Flisch's story "Spec Evo: Void Entry" (Act 3) "but by rule 34 of the multiverse, if it exists, there’s a world full of it." -Tet "I must ask you to leave now." -Everyone (not realy though) in Flisch's story "Spec Evo: Void Entry" Projects Status Current Projects Saturn: the second Earth Star Life Eo Future Projects Dyson's life Stand By Projects Technoterra Crimean Dragons Canceled Projects (they can be updated by any time) Eo's Biosphere Mars's second chance: alternative story of Mars and life Under the Ice of Europa: an adventure "next door" Aeromorpha Another Sun rose on the British Empire A Teardrop from Earth Finished Projects Future Earth 10 to 50 million years Minecraft: the cubic world My Blog (SE Blog) Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyBzYPIsLp0uHoPtT6ZEyww


Beetleboy	Feb 8 2016, 01:22 PM Post #49
neither lizard nor boy nor beetle . . . but a little of all three Posts: 3,700 Group: Members Member #1,776 Joined: Oct 2, 2015 Gender: Male Area of expertise: Future Evolution Nationality: British Favorite Quote: In the absence of proper data, speculate wildly. Also known as: Jacob, JurassicJacob, Beetle	Quote: But stop dropping H-bombs (actually you still can... sort off... no just continue)! Then why does this still have any relevance? And you've made it quite clear here that you aren't pleased about this constructive criticism Hybrid is giving you, but are grudgingly allowing it.
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Adman	Feb 8 2016, 01:28 PM Post #50
Totally not lamna Posts: 3,898 Group: Members Member #375 Joined: Sep 2, 2010 Gender: Male Nationality: The Great Atlantic Steppe Favorite Quote: “I dont leran from no one“ -Archeo	I think the point here is that insects aren't going to get much larger, even with higher oxygen levels. It's just incapable of happening with their anatomy, and a transitional endoskeletal form would be improbable and quite impractical. Check out this thread for more on that. Also the time period for this sort of stuff evolving is way too short. Giant insects, like the ones you have here, wouldn't evolve in 100 million years time, let alone 30 million years.
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Dragonthunders	Feb 8 2016, 02:09 PM Post #51
The ethereal archosaur in blue Posts: 3,039 Group: Global Mods Member #690 Joined: Jan 22, 2012 Gender: Male Nationality: Salvadoran Favorite Quote: "There is only one war that can afford the human being: the war against their extinction" Isaac Asimov Also known as: DT, thunders Gender: still male	Quote: I already knew even before joining this forum that eurypterids were marine arthropods and that they live in water. And I already know that just before writing for the first time this project that eurypterids could reach enormous size because they had no predators and were in water. Which is why on the chart the Jaekelopterus is in the water Why you use it then? seems counterproductive to use them to justify an arthropod that lives in a different environment, with different characteristics and has evolved under different conditions. It's like trying to justify size of sauropods with whales. Quote: But stop dropping H-bombs (actually you still can... sort off... no just continue)! Hybrid does not throw these bombs H for nothing, there are several inconsistencies in these creations that must be addressed with a plausible and accurate point . Quote: And yes, the Flightless Wasp has no predators. So, because we said that by predators, insects do not grow you retire at all? It is unlikely that there are no predators, you have armadillos so would have other vertebrates in the ecosystem and therefore predators. Quote: Also the gigantic beetle is flat but still has a thicker endoskeleton. But it is still bareable not just because the beetle has strong legs but also the endoskeleton is not EXTREMELY thick (at least 4.5 cm thick). Strong legs can support this mass and might make the beetle faster than you think (well not as fast as a cat running at least). You can continue with the same but, inevitably it will not work. I must say I had a small mistake, about the narrowness of the exoskeleton, is actually wrong; however, the roughly exoskeleton and tracheas that are still a big problem, because the insect would need considerably large amount of tracheas to keep the big body and the exoskeleton should be thinner since the length and range these still remains limited. Also, as additional data, the insect grows, so it needs molt their exoskeleton, and that makes it too vulnerable, for anything
	Projects "Active" projects The Future is Far Welcome to the next chapters of the evolution of life on earth, travel the across the earth on a journey that goes beyond the limits, a billion years of future history in the making. The SE giants project Wonder what is the big of the big on speculative evolution? no problem, here is the answer Coming one day Age of Mankind Humanity fate and its possible finals. The Long Cosmic Journey The history outside our world. The alternative paths The multiverse, the final frontier... Holocene park: Welcome to the biggest adventure of the last 215 million years, where the age of mammals comes to life again! Cambrian mars: An interesting experiment on an unprecedented scale, the life of a particular and important period in the history of our planet, the cambric life, has been transported to a terraformed and habitable mars in an alternative past. Two different paths, two different worlds, but same life and same weirdness. My deviantart


GlarnBoudin	Feb 8 2016, 03:03 PM Post #52
Disgusting Skin Fetishist Posts: 1,902 Group: Members Member #1,641 Joined: Feb 15, 2015 Gender: Male Area of expertise: Alternate Evolution Nationality: United States Favorite Quote: "My armour is like tenfold shields, my teeth are swords, my claws spears, the shock of my tail a thunderbolt, my wings a hurricane, and my breath death!" Gender: What is a gender? A miserable pile of secrets!	Wait, there were predatory armadillos?
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Hybrid	Feb 9 2016, 12:31 AM Post #53
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Rodlox	Feb 9 2016, 01:48 AM Post #54
Superhuman Posts: 3,112 Group: Members Member #21 Joined: Jun 28, 2008	Victorbrine Feb 7 2016, 07:58 AM CaledonianWarrior96 Feb 6 2016, 02:04 PM I don't think a beetle could reach sizes as large as that, even with higher oxygen levels. The reason why arthropods can't grow so large isn't just due to low oxygen concentrations but also because of their exoskeletons. If they become to big they will collapse under their own weight and be unable to move Not if insects develop stronger exoskeleton and "internal structures" along with stronger legs. These "internal structures" are strong filaments that retains the exoskeleton from collapsing. The exoskeleton is also thicker and fror this beetle, a little harder. The legs are stronger and can withstand this extra mass. Most insects during the beggining of the Akupantagene brief Ice age has seen their exoskeleton thickening in order to survive cold temperature (but this wasn't enough so "fur" came along). In the image the beetle has almost the same size as the armadillo (it's actually roughly 2.7 meters) so it's also almost half the length of an ankylosaurus. And here is an Ankylosaurus compared to a human: I hope this brought answers... um, you do realize that that's a dinosaur, not an invert.?
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Victorbrine	Feb 9 2016, 10:44 AM Post #55
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Beetleboy	Feb 9 2016, 10:46 AM Post #56
neither lizard nor boy nor beetle . . . but a little of all three Posts: 3,700 Group: Members Member #1,776 Joined: Oct 2, 2015 Gender: Male Area of expertise: Future Evolution Nationality: British Favorite Quote: In the absence of proper data, speculate wildly. Also known as: Jacob, JurassicJacob, Beetle	That isn't an invertebrate either.
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Dragonthunders	Feb 9 2016, 11:17 AM Post #57
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Victorbrine	Feb 9 2016, 01:28 PM Post #58
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CaledonianWarrior96	Feb 9 2016, 02:18 PM Post #59
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Adman	Feb 9 2016, 03:34 PM Post #60
Totally not lamna Posts: 3,898 Group: Members Member #375 Joined: Sep 2, 2010 Gender: Male Nationality: The Great Atlantic Steppe Favorite Quote: “I dont leran from no one“ -Archeo	Victorbrine Feb 9 2016, 10:44 AM Rodlox Feb 9 2016, 01:48 AM Victorbrine Feb 7 2016, 07:58 AM CaledonianWarrior96 Feb 6 2016, 02:04 PM I don't think a beetle could reach sizes as large as that, even with higher oxygen levels. The reason why arthropods can't grow so large isn't just due to low oxygen concentrations but also because of their exoskeletons. If they become to big they will collapse under their own weight and be unable to move Not if insects develop stronger exoskeleton and "internal structures" along with stronger legs. These "internal structures" are strong filaments that retains the exoskeleton from collapsing. The exoskeleton is also thicker and fror this beetle, a little harder. The legs are stronger and can withstand this extra mass. Most insects during the beggining of the Akupantagene brief Ice age has seen their exoskeleton thickening in order to survive cold temperature (but this wasn't enough so "fur" came along). In the image the beetle has almost the same size as the armadillo (it's actually roughly 2.7 meters) so it's also almost half the length of an ankylosaurus. And here is an Ankylosaurus compared to a human: I hope this brought answers... um, you do realize that that's a dinosaur, not an invert.? As a size comparison. I could have compared with a Glyptodon. You're completely missing the point. These beetles wouldn't be able to exist because their anatomy wouldn't allow for it. Beetles that are two meters long? Really? Cat-sized beetles would be impossible to exist naturally, let alone 2 meter long giants. And even if there are higher oxygen levels, beetles would still be kept down in size by predators. There would be no way for these beetles to grow as large as they do here with creatures like vertebrates present.
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