1 Million years AD

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1 Million years AD; The strange unfamiliar world of the not so distant future
Topic Started: Dec 23 2015, 04:28 AM (6,505 Views)
El Dorito	Dec 23 2015, 04:28 AM Post #1
chlorinated opthalmic trigonometric shape of conspiracy and dank memes Posts: 400 Group: Members Member #1,763 Joined: Sep 15, 2015 Gender: Male Nationality: Australian/Tasmanian Favorite Quote: Colour is not real, it is something your brain makes up to make sense of the world. What you can't see has no colour at all. Also known as: Da Sloth M8, KaptainWombat Gender: clearly I am a chlorinated opthalmic trigonomic shape of conspitacy and dank memes	All pictures will be able to be found here: el-d0rito.deviantart.com Most future evolution projects take place in the more distant future, over 5 million years away. But life can evolve and change over much shorter timescales. This especially applies after extinction events. Only a few hundred thousand years after the K-Pg extinction, Palaeocene mammals had already become larger than any known Mesozoic mammal. Today, a similar, though as yet less severe extinction event is taking place. Already most of the megafauna that existed for the past several million years have gone extinct, leaving niches open. The only things keeping them open are human activities and time. But history and common sense tell us that at some point in the next thousand years our planetary civilisation will probably collapse, largely eliminating the main factor stopping life carrying on. Fast forward 1 million years, and the 'wild' is again the normal state of the earth. The oceans have risen some 80 metres due to human induced climate change, for the same reason most of the worlds ice is gone too. Several super volcanoes have erupted, and the last remnants of the modern 'concrete jungle' have crumbled. Humans are rare, and are considerably different to 21st century people. They are no longer a significant force effecting the earth. Some groups of animals are identical to those we are familiar with, some are similar but obviously different, and a few are unlike anything found in the modern era. This is the world in 1 million years AD. Edited by El Dorito, Jan 5 2016, 08:55 PM.
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Zorcuspine	Dec 25 2015, 10:30 PM Post #16
Enjoying our azure blue world Posts: 3,693 Group: Global Mods Member #327 Joined: Jun 12, 2010 Gender: Male Nationality: USA Favorite Quote: "You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty." Mahatma Gandhi	I would strongly suggest the time frame in this project to 5 or 10 million years in the future. It gives you enough leeway to actually do stuff in this project, without completely destroying the "near-future" premise.



El Dorito	Dec 26 2015, 02:35 AM Post #17
chlorinated opthalmic trigonometric shape of conspiracy and dank memes Posts: 400 Group: Members Member #1,763 Joined: Sep 15, 2015 Gender: Male Nationality: Australian/Tasmanian Favorite Quote: Colour is not real, it is something your brain makes up to make sense of the world. What you can't see has no colour at all. Also known as: Da Sloth M8, KaptainWombat Gender: clearly I am a chlorinated opthalmic trigonomic shape of conspitacy and dank memes	Agriculture and the invention/discovery of effective medicine were definitely a major step in our evolution. Water monitors don't have webbed feet because they don't use their feet to swim, unlike otters. In the picture the thing actually has visible hands and claws, they didn't show up because I smudged it accidently, and didn't outline the drawing in marker pen like I did with the Tremendosaurus. Also merten's water monitors already have a flattened tail, with a fin-like upper surface. This is basically that but with a bit more fin in the middle. It doesn't take 10 million years to do that. Anyway the whole point of this project was to explore a time period that is often ignored. Quote: If you look at mammals from 50 million years ago, almost none of them were even closely related, let alone similar, to things found now. What I meant with this is that many of the early Eocene mammals weren't closely related to mammals alive now. I didn't say they weren't related to each other. Edited by El Dorito, Dec 26 2015, 02:36 AM.
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Bruno01	Dec 26 2015, 08:54 AM Post #18
Infant Posts: 129 Group: Members Member #1,833 Joined: Dec 19, 2015 Gender: Male Nationality: Argentinian Also known as: Bruno	El Dorito Dec 26 2015, 02:35 AM Water monitors don't have webbed feet because they don't use their feet to swim, unlike otters. If they don't use them to swim, then doesn't make sense that the feet evolve into flippers. Edited by Bruno01, Dec 26 2015, 08:54 AM.
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Hybrid	Dec 26 2015, 10:49 AM Post #19
May Specula Grant you Bountiful Spec! Posts: 1,957 Group: Global Mods Member #931 Joined: Jan 12, 2013 Gender: Male Nationality: Canadian Favorite Quote: "You know what, Hybrid? I'm going to start calling you "H-bomb", because you turn just about any thread you critique into an ugly pile of wreckage ;)"	Quote: Agriculture and the invention/discovery of effective medicine were definitely a major step in our evolution. Possibly, but it wasn't natural selection itself that led to us being taller than we were a few centuries ago. Quote: Water monitors don't have webbed feet because they don't use their feet to swim, unlike otters. Then why do you expect them to evolve flippers in only 1 million years? Even crocodilians have webbed feet, but it's not like they swim with only their limbs. Quote: In the picture the thing actually has visible hands and claws, they didn't show up because I smudged it accidently How do you smudge that amount of detail from what seems to be pencil? There is nothing on the picture that suggests there was supposed to be claws and fingers on the limbs. They look like you drew them as flippers rather than webbed feet or something. Quote: Also merten's water monitors already have a flattened tail, with a fin-like upper surface. Not anymore than other water monitor lizard tails. None of them seem to have a fin-like structure on their tail, they're just flattened to form a paddle. If you were talking about members of the Hydrosaurus genus I would believe you, but you're not. Quote: this is basically that but with a bit more fin in the middle. No, it's straight up a mosasaurian tail fluke rather than what an aquatic monitor lizard would have in only 1 million years. Quote: It doesn't take 10 million years to do that. It would take more than 1 million years for that level of adaptation to an aquatic lifestyle.
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El Dorito	Dec 26 2015, 09:29 PM Post #20
chlorinated opthalmic trigonometric shape of conspiracy and dank memes Posts: 400 Group: Members Member #1,763 Joined: Sep 15, 2015 Gender: Male Nationality: Australian/Tasmanian Favorite Quote: Colour is not real, it is something your brain makes up to make sense of the world. What you can't see has no colour at all. Also known as: Da Sloth M8, KaptainWombat Gender: clearly I am a chlorinated opthalmic trigonomic shape of conspitacy and dank memes	The thing I had in my head was less mosasaurian than what might be shown on the picture. I was going for something like this, but i'm not as good an artist (and I don't have photoshop for finer details and texture) so it turned out more like a fully marine mosasaur than a semiaquatic lizard. Also in my drawing the claws are small, and the pencil was kind of blunt when I got to drawing them, so it wasn't as hard to smudge as you might think.
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El Dorito	Dec 27 2015, 12:03 AM Post #21
chlorinated opthalmic trigonometric shape of conspiracy and dank memes Posts: 400 Group: Members Member #1,763 Joined: Sep 15, 2015 Gender: Male Nationality: Australian/Tasmanian Favorite Quote: Colour is not real, it is something your brain makes up to make sense of the world. What you can't see has no colour at all. Also known as: Da Sloth M8, KaptainWombat Gender: clearly I am a chlorinated opthalmic trigonomic shape of conspitacy and dank memes	Moving on once again (seriously) Link to picture: coming soon The Dongo, Canis maximus Dogs are 'mans best friend' (unless you are a cat person or something), and they have gone pretty much everywhere that we have. Originally dogs were domesticated from grey wolves about 40,000 years ago, and since then they have become feral on every continent except Antarctica (for obvious reasons). Often feral dogs will hybridize with native canids, often resulting in the native species becoming endangered. One of the places this has had a major effect is in Australia, where purebred dingoes are almost nonexistant now. While dingoes are technically domestic dogs themselves, they are completely wild and only rarely do they interact significantly with people. It seems that eventually every dingo will be at least part feral dog, and when animals hybridize they can take on characteristics that neither of the originals had, for example size. In 1- 2 million years time, the descendants of dingo-dog hybrids have evolved into a new species of canid, the dongo ('dog+dingo'), or Canis maximus. While it is not the largest canid to have ever existed, nor is it the only large canid to exist at the time, it is still the largest mammalian carnivore to exist in Australia, being about 1 metre tall at the shoulder, and about 1.5 metres long, and in large individuals, a weight of 50 kg or more. Strangely, even though both dingoes and domestic dogs are highly social, dongos are largely solitary as large adults. However, when hunting something that is particularily dangerous like a 'giant' kangaroo or water buffalo, they will work together. They will also stand their ground as a group when confronted by larger monitor lizards like tremendosaurus.
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Bruno01	Dec 27 2015, 09:13 AM Post #22
Infant Posts: 129 Group: Members Member #1,833 Joined: Dec 19, 2015 Gender: Male Nationality: Argentinian Also known as: Bruno	El Dorito Dec 27 2015, 12:03 AM However, when hunting something that is particularily dangerous like a 'giant' kangaroo or water buffalo, they will work together. There isn't any buffalo or water buffalo in Australia. How could the dongos hunt them?
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ForceofHabit	Dec 27 2015, 09:19 AM Post #23
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Datura	Dec 27 2015, 11:33 AM Post #24
Adult Posts: 988 Group: Members Member #734 Joined: Mar 23, 2012 Gender: Male Nationality: U.S.A Favorite Quote: My name is Ozymandias, king of kings; Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!	This probably sounds very lazy, but, if you went with the idea of changing this to be around 5 to 10 million years in the future, why not use sea snakes as your aquatic reptile? As cliche as they would sound, they are adapted entirely for aquatic life. It would work better than your water monitor. Just make sure there isn't anything that could take potential niches the sea snakes could take. If cetaceans died off entirely for instance, I imagine some fish could take some of the niches easier, and maybe if it is not too bad, maybe pinnipeds and otters could take some niches as well. Manatees would likely die off in an event that would wipe out cetaceans.



Dragonthunders	Dec 27 2015, 01:24 PM Post #25
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CaledonianWarrior96	Dec 27 2015, 02:28 PM Post #26
An Awesome Reptile Posts: 2,383 Group: Members Member #1,642 Joined: Feb 22, 2015 Gender: Male Area of expertise: Future Evolution Nationality: Scottish (Not british) Favorite Quote: "Life's too short to take it seriously" - Me Also known as: SlothWarrior	Dragonthunders Dec 27 2015, 01:24 PM Quote: The thing I had in my head was less mosasaurian than what might be shown on the picture. I was going for something like this, but i'm not as good an artist (and I don't have photoshop for finer details and texture) so it turned out more like a fully marine mosasaur than a semiaquatic lizard. Also in my drawing the claws are small, and the pencil was kind of blunt when I got to drawing them, so it wasn't as hard to smudge as you might think. Even so, it seems an adaptation that probably takes more a million years to evolve. On the other hand it had not been difficult to make small triangles or semicircles for claws, would be notable, the drawing in the picture is quite clear, you can even understand the text. Quote: This probably sounds very lazy, but, if you went with the idea of changing this to be around 5 to 10 million years in the future, why not use sea snakes as your aquatic reptile? As cliche as they would sound, they are adapted entirely for aquatic life. Actually it is not quite cliche, it probably proves to be an interesting concept to explore, imagine marine snake populations increase thanks to the disappearance of most of the competition, but, there would also chances that sharks would be out there too. Marine snakes would probably thrive and diversify if the planet warmed up and the oceans became more suitable for the cold blooded serpents. I mean they probably could florish in warm waters in one million years time like Australia, India, the Carribean sea and so on but they would thrive better in warmer climates. Even with the threats of larger predators like sharks they could still do well. The ancestors of mosasaurs were small and prey to sharks but they thrived and even became the apex predators of the Cretaceous seas. I'm not saying sea snakes would be as big as 20 - 60 feet like some mosasaurs or as foracious but there's always a tiny possibilities. What I'm talking about though would take millions of years, like maybe 10 - 15 million or around about that time range
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El Dorito	Dec 27 2015, 09:22 PM Post #27
chlorinated opthalmic trigonometric shape of conspiracy and dank memes Posts: 400 Group: Members Member #1,763 Joined: Sep 15, 2015 Gender: Male Nationality: Australian/Tasmanian Favorite Quote: Colour is not real, it is something your brain makes up to make sense of the world. What you can't see has no colour at all. Also known as: Da Sloth M8, KaptainWombat Gender: clearly I am a chlorinated opthalmic trigonomic shape of conspitacy and dank memes	Evolution happens very quickly if there is a good reason. For an adaptable animal like a monitor lizard, having your original habitat become flooded over the course of 1000 years or something is probably a pretty good reason to change. Maybe it would take more than 1 million years for such a lizard to become completely aquatic, but I didn't specifically say the paddlesnake is fully aquatic, did I... I get that sea snakes already live completely in the ocean, but snakes don't have the kind of bite that monitors have, and are very set on venom as their main weapon (the weird one that doesn't have venom is really specialized and would probably go extinct in the sort of changes happening here). Flippers/fins are also useful in keeping a large animal stabilized when swimming. its not a problem when you are small, but above a certain size it can become a important. I dont really get how evolving flippers can get such an argument going. I was expecting to start a riot by creating the Tremendosaurus... as yet not even a single mention of it.
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Hybrid	Dec 27 2015, 09:34 PM Post #28
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LittleLazyLass	Dec 27 2015, 10:58 PM Post #29
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El Dorito	Dec 28 2015, 01:49 AM Post #30
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