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Flora/Fauna Suggestions; For all your suggesting needs!
Topic Started: Oct 4 2014, 02:29 PM (4,009 Views)
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You can suggest lineages that weren't mentioned on the flora/fauna topic here.

Remember, be realistic with what can be present on the island. Also watch out for things that might swim/fly away from the island.
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They didn't live anywhere near where they could get to the islands. They are known from Europe, Morocco, and North America. That's nowhere near Madagascar, or India, or other close areas.
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Given they lived for more then 150 million years, and that from all that we know of four genera, I don't think it's that far out there of an idea.

But I suppose your are correct.
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Could we add Palaeodictyopteroidea? They were huge, mostly herbivorous insects with no living descendants that died out close to or around the end premian mass extinction. Though I suppose being a widespread and successful group they could have survived to hitch a ride on the islands?
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The split for this project is around the Middle Triassic, so that wouldn't be feasable.
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Extended Pleistocene- An alternate future where man died out, and the megafauna would continue to thrive (may or may not include a bit about certain future sapients)
Inverted World- An alternate timeline where an asteroid hit during the Barremian, causing an extinction event before the Maastrichtian. Dinosaurs, pterosaurs, and notosuchians make it to the present, along with a host of other animals.
Badania- Alien planet that has life at a devonian stage of development, except it exists in the present day.
Ido- Alien world where hoppers (derived flightless ballonts) and mouthpart-legged beasts are prevalent.
Leto- Life on a moon orbiting a gas giant with an erratic orbit; experiences extremes of hot and cold.
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Deeper Impact- a world where the K-Pg extinction wipes out crocodilians, mammals, and birds; squamates, choristoderes, and turtles inherit the earth.
World of Equal Opportunity- alternate history where denisovans come across Beringia and interact with native fauna. Much of the Pleistocene fauna survives, and the modern humans that end up crossing into North America do not overhunt the existing animals. 10,000 years later, civilizations exist that are on par with European and Asian societies.
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Approximately 242 million years ago, a piece of land broke off from what will one day be Eastern Africa.

So the break off occurred 242 million years ago and the Premian extinction occurred ~250 million years ago. Surely there could be some discrepancy as carbon dating can only be accurate to within a few millions of years. Or perhaps some "living fossil species could have survived until then." They were a widespread group after all. "Comprising 50% of all Paleozoic insect species."
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Surely there could be some discrepancy as carbon dating can only be accurate to within a few millions of years.

Don't make up things that scientists don't accept, and that's Permian creatures in the Triassic. The fauna of the late Permian and the early Triassic are pretty distinct. We don't twist information to fit our needs, that's just not how we do it here.

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Or perhaps some "living fossil species could have survived until then."

No. We don't make up ancestors to fit our needs.

No Permian organisms.
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Ok fine. But honestly its true. What exactly am I making up? We can only be sure to within a few million years. It's not like I'm saying carbon dating is wrong just a bit flawed. The only thing that makes it "true" is that it is what most people generally accept. And when I said living fossil I meant that perhaps a few species could have survived into the Triassic given their diversity and numbers. I wasn't saying lets make one up to fit our needs, just simply suggesting that the time period was close enough that like dinosaurs, all species probably did not die out at once. I'm sorry if it seemed that way to you. Just because someone doesn't accept it doesn't make it automatically untrue.

I was jus simply playing to the fact that carbon dating is not completely accurate. Its not. I concede that its obviously close but dates cannot be exact. http://amazingdiscoveries.org/C-deception-carbon_dating_radiometric_decay_rates

Sorry if this comes off as some sort of whiny rant but seriously? I was simply giving possible and scientifically plausible explanation to how they could have made it.
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Ok fine. But honestly its true. What exactly am I making up?

You're suggesting that our knowledge on early/middle Triassic biota is flawed. I'm pretty sure we would find species from late Permian strata (that apparently went extinct by the P-T extinction event) in the early Triassic if there was, but there's no evidence of that. Also you have to realize that it's only the animals from the middle Triassic, not the early Triassic.

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I wasn't saying lets make one up to fit our need

Yes you are, you're suggesting that there was populations of relictual species that survived for 8 million years. This is not like some fish that's been living in the deep sea, this is an insect that could of easily repopulated if it survived that long. There was no species of non-avian dinosaur surviving that long, so your comparison is flawed. You also don't have evidence of these relics, so you're practically making them up.

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Just because someone doesn't accept it doesn't make it automatically untrue.

You would need evidence and support from the paleontological community.
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Mate, the actual question should be if there are formations capable of preserving palaeodictyopteroid fossils in those 8 million years, or if anything has occupied their niche in those 8 million years.. Without them, we can't really be 100% certain
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There are already tons of other insects that could be used instead of palaeodictyopteroids. Why not coleopterans? Or orthopterans?
Projects and concepts that I have stewing around
Extended Pleistocene- An alternate future where man died out, and the megafauna would continue to thrive (may or may not include a bit about certain future sapients)
Inverted World- An alternate timeline where an asteroid hit during the Barremian, causing an extinction event before the Maastrichtian. Dinosaurs, pterosaurs, and notosuchians make it to the present, along with a host of other animals.
Badania- Alien planet that has life at a devonian stage of development, except it exists in the present day.
Ido- Alien world where hoppers (derived flightless ballonts) and mouthpart-legged beasts are prevalent.
Leto- Life on a moon orbiting a gas giant with an erratic orbit; experiences extremes of hot and cold.
The Park- ???
Deeper Impact- a world where the K-Pg extinction wipes out crocodilians, mammals, and birds; squamates, choristoderes, and turtles inherit the earth.
World of Equal Opportunity- alternate history where denisovans come across Beringia and interact with native fauna. Much of the Pleistocene fauna survives, and the modern humans that end up crossing into North America do not overhunt the existing animals. 10,000 years later, civilizations exist that are on par with European and Asian societies.
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I was just suggesting a species that I could get around to the size of a cat. And palaeodictyopteroids were already rather large. So that is why I had asked about them. Could I plausibly create an insect from the coleopterans or orthopterans of such size through perhaps island gigantism on one of the smaller satellite islands?
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Predation from birds would most likely keep beetles or grasshoppers from getting too large. The atmosphere too would also not be right for cat sized insects, as discussed multiple times in previous threads.
Projects and concepts that I have stewing around
Extended Pleistocene- An alternate future where man died out, and the megafauna would continue to thrive (may or may not include a bit about certain future sapients)
Inverted World- An alternate timeline where an asteroid hit during the Barremian, causing an extinction event before the Maastrichtian. Dinosaurs, pterosaurs, and notosuchians make it to the present, along with a host of other animals.
Badania- Alien planet that has life at a devonian stage of development, except it exists in the present day.
Ido- Alien world where hoppers (derived flightless ballonts) and mouthpart-legged beasts are prevalent.
Leto- Life on a moon orbiting a gas giant with an erratic orbit; experiences extremes of hot and cold.
The Park- ???
Deeper Impact- a world where the K-Pg extinction wipes out crocodilians, mammals, and birds; squamates, choristoderes, and turtles inherit the earth.
World of Equal Opportunity- alternate history where denisovans come across Beringia and interact with native fauna. Much of the Pleistocene fauna survives, and the modern humans that end up crossing into North America do not overhunt the existing animals. 10,000 years later, civilizations exist that are on par with European and Asian societies.
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I was just suggesting a species that I could get around to the size of a cat. And palaeodictyopteroids were already rather large. So that is why I had asked about them. Could I plausibly create an insect from the coleopterans or orthopterans of such size through perhaps island gigantism on one of the smaller satellite islands?
If you want beaked insects, why not just have some group of insects that already exist on the archipelago evolve a beak? I did that once, but, nothing is stopping you from trying that yourself.

Also, yeah, the world is not suited for cat-sized arthropods. I think the largest that might exist on the archipelago are coconut crabs.
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Is the only mammals that werent herbivores Morganucodons?
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Well aside from Morganucodontids there are also Eosimians and Herpetotherids (which seem to have been largely forgotten).
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