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I think we established kingfishers were present, due to them being on Amsterdam Island IIRC, as well as various species of seabirds.
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Hm, maybe its time to research a bit more into birds. Maybe I can find groups other than parrots, finches, kingfishers, and various sea birds that might work on the archipelago. I don't know if stuff like falconiformes or vultures would work, since bludgeons have taken to those niches. But with the change in size of the archipelago, maybe it COULD work.
Edit 1: Some falconiformes specialize in specific prey, such as snakes. Although snakes do not exist on the archipelago, maybe we could have them on the archipelago as specialist forms.
Edit 2: Vastanavis might work as a species that gave rise to a group of parrots that made it before bludgeons. However, if they are to survive into the present on the archipelago, they would have to be in niches that the bludgeons could not take. (Also the only parrot fossil from Eocene India I have found)
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I think Passerines and Enantiornithes were supposed to be present.
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I think Passerines and Enantiornithes were supposed to be present. Would Enantiornithes even be on the archipelago? Remember, the latest exchange was between India and the archipelago. I cannot find any fossils of them from India, and they died out in the Cretaceous.
Ratites might exist due to their weird dispersal, but, we might have to make up an ancestor for this if we cannot find a good species.
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True, but, India was an island continent at one point. I don't know if these birds are going to fly far enough to India, though I suppose a few could have made it.
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Would Enantiornithes even be on the archipelago?
Enantiornithes were able to cross oceans, which is a bad thing for us. They'll just fly away with little problem.
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I think the kiwi-elephant bird clade could be present, or less likely ostrich-related paleognaths (as they apparently evolved in India).
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Enantiornithes were able to cross oceans, which is a bad thing for us. They'll just fly away with little problem.
Not necessarily. It's not entirely implausible for some enantiornithes, after reaching the archipelago, to lose most or all of their flight ability. That way, they could be restricted to the archipelago. A bird with the stamina and flight ability of a galliforme is not going to be crossing oceans. Nor would a bird that would be flightless, for reasons that should be obvious.
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It's not entirely implausible for some enantiornithes, after reaching the archipelago, to lose most or all of their flight ability.
The problem with that is that there would of been plenty of native predators well established by the time, so unlike most islands would of been a lot harder to evolve flightnesses.
That being said, if you can find a way for them to become flightless, I'm all welcome for their addition.
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I think they could coexist. Finches are pretty adaptable, and I'm sure they could adapt to live on the local flora/fauna; though maybe to avoid competition with the parrots they would be primarily insectivorous.
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I thought we'd already said yes to finches (Fringillidae). Pigeons and rails would probably get there and be good as well. Maybe Turdidae.
With seabirds you must remember that they can disperse across large areas of ocean, follow boats, get blown to other areas more often, caught on lines, etc, generally get around a bit more easily than any other birds due to their lifestyles and breeding habits . They will be modern species that also occur on nearby islands, not archaic lines. So completely unique seagoing birds are probably a no; some discrete local subspecies or morph would probably work.
More parrot lines seems like overkill.
As for enantornithormes, I don't see why they can't be on the island and have flight. Just because a bird can fly doesn't mean it is going to be able or inclined to cross an ocean or an extreme distance.I'm not sure why Enantornithormes would be more likely to fly away than the more modern bird clades we already have. Many flighted birds do not actually fly that far, including many on islands who had ancestors which were at least somewhat migratory and at some point did fly that far. See; Hawaii, Galapagos, Macaronesia. Lots of flighted birds which do not go back across the ocean.
Also remember that successful island colonisation events are very rare. If a group is present by virtue of ocean crossing, then it is most likely that it will be represented by descendents of one original species. For example, one type or pigeon, or finch, or rail. Just because something could possibly get to the island does not mean it will. Things that do reach the island do not necessarily survive and colonise. the odd vagrant or two getting lost or blown over are far more likely to die long before more join them to establish a population. Even some things that might manage a few generations may be wiped out and vanish without a trace by any number of factors. It is not impossible for there to be more than one colonisation event by related species, but it is highly unlikely and also these islands are already packed with potential ancestors. Species radiations are what make islands fun, people! Radiate!
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Aside from bludgeons, and well, dinosaurs, what other bird groups could make it to the archipelago and be fine? I was thinking finches, since they have island hopped before. Or do bludgeons have a near monopoly on birds on the archipelago? I was thinking that, because of an interchange during the Eocene, primitive passerines and falconiformes could have made it and in more modern years seabirds would have arrived.
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Lungfish are mentioned in the Riverstalker entry, so yes, there are lungfish on the islands.
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Ignorance is never insulting if you're willing to learn, we're all ignorant about most things. ~~The Words of Lamna
- Words I Live By
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Yeah, and even if you don't agree with creationists on that concept, that doesn't mean they can't be decent people. I have friends who are creationist (possibly even young earth) that I get along with fine in general life. I don't think they're right of course, but that doesn't make them intellectual degenerates. ~~The Words of forbidden3
Member Quotes - jman123
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Ass-breathing fish-lizards? Sounds like a punk rock band
- Sheather
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"Holy fucking shit a toilet paper roll! Our favorite thing!"
- Urufumarukai
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Tyrannosaurus aquastronka
- Kamineigh
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Myo, if you don't stop reading the YouTube comments...
- Lamna
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Are you saying what I think you're saying?
Sheather bathes in cum?
- Cephylus
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And last night I dreamed I was blowing up a Kindergarten with a grenade launcher for no particular reason...
- revin
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Oh, and of course more people get killed by selfies than by sharks. Of course.
- Parasky
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SHEEEEAAAAATTTTTTHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!
- whachamacalit2
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The smell of rotting flesh really kills my appetite, surprising, but the visual appearance of corpses makes me hungry. Is that weird?
- Ebervalius
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I mean, let us say I'm a genderfluid blurflux demi-romantic woman who is sexually attracted to men, but only if they are Melanesian and have a voice like that of Nicholas Cage. Okay, so what?
- trex841
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When I first saw that picture, I thought you were dissecting a condom.
- Mr Mysterio
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All hail Robo-Stalin.
- Peashyjah
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Seems like everything in this project is now dead.
- Stealth Rock
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Seagulls are pretty much trees, right?
- Watcher
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We all must finish chapters of our lives to go on to the next. Sometime this means leaving behind versions of ourselves that don't want to die.
- Yiqi15
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For April fool's, we had to make an orgasm that resembled a human foot.
- Flisch
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im the black market
- CaledonianWarrior96
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He was a skater birb, she said tweet you later birb
- Most People at Some Point
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Quotes - Some dude called plucas1 from Youtube comments
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Funny, isn't it, that our world needs Clark Kent a lot more than Superman.
- Xenoblade Chronicles
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Even though he is our creator, that does not afford him the right to take our lives on a whim. But that is the thinking of a homs. He is a god. Such morals cannot apply to gods. So you think we should just shut up and die?! If that is the fate decided by a god. You are mistaken if you think we will simply accept such a fate and wait to die. We'll never stop fighting. Not till the end. To Zanza, the outcome is the same. Thus your logic is flawed.
- Hades - Kid Icarus Uprising
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When freaky aliens give you lemons, make freaky alien lemonade.
- Kid Icarus Uprising
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But Souls are delicious. They're like bacon - they taste good on anything. But if you eat them, you completely remove them from existence! They can't move on or... or be reincarnated! Huh. I never really gave it much thought. Besides, what do you mean by reincarnation anyway? You know, being reborn as someone or something else. Which means different body, different memories, different experiences, yes? So isn't being reborn as "something else" the same as being "removed from existence"? I... I... eating souls isn't right! That depends on your definition of "right". All living things survive by eating other living things. So what? You're a god. You should be above all that! Gods are above living things, which doesn't necessarily mean we care about them.
- Some Dude on BBC Two
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You are being shagged... by a flightless parrot.
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