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Deciding the Island Fauna; We're /THIS/ close to starting this shibang.
Topic Started: Sep 30 2014, 05:35 PM (1,852 Views)
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READ THIS WHOLE THING AND COMMENT ON AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.


Thank you all for helping with this thing so far! This will be the last pre-creation thread I promise, after this I will write the tutorials and what-not and then all of you can post threads and stuff.

So we've gone through the islands' details and such, but now is time to decide on the general vertebrate fauna of the place (due to their large diversity, the archipelago's invertebrates and plants will be answered on a need-to-know basis).

So I've listed the potential fauna from the ages that can make it to the Ansian Islands (yes, that's the name I gave it, if you have a better suggestion say it below). Flying and marine animals have mostly been omitted because they can get to the islands at any time (decide by your own judgement what species could potentially get to and survive on the islands).

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Mid Triassic (242MYA; India/Africa)
Silesauridae (and Nyasasaurus relatives of course)
Rhynchosauria
Poposauroidea
•Stagonolepididae
Temnospondyli
•Erpetosuchidae
Dicynodontia
•Nothosauria
•Protorosauria
•Procolophonoidea
•Phytosauridae
•Placodontia
Xenacanthida
•Mawsoniidae

Early Jurassic (199MYA; Africa)
Sauropodomorpha
•Coelophysidae
•Dilophosauridae
•Heterodontosauridae
•Rhynchocephalia
•Protosuchidae
Morganucodonta
Tritylodontidae
•Tritheledontidae
•Australochelyidae
•Lesothosauridae
Thyreophora

Early Eocene (55MYA; India)
•Archaeoceti
•Herpetotheriidae
Proboscidea
•Eosimiidae
•Rhacophoridae
Bombinatoridae
•Brontotheriidae
Dichobunidae
Gondwanatheria
•Tillodontia
•Psittaciformes*

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The ones marked in light blue designate my personal wish list.
The ones in red designate a choice which is permanent by my own decision and cannot be argued against.
But anyway, I need all of you right now to choose the islands' vertebrate species right now by doing what I just did (highlight the ones you wish for) except with your own choices.
Here's a blank template:

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These choices will be less "permanent" to say and may be slightly altered later on to suit your needs but right now we need something to work with right now. Remember you can only choose a limited number; don't go nuts.
Let's say a maximum of 16-18 faunal groups for now shall we? (I'll be lenient with smaller animals of course). You may also mention marine (mosasaurs, pinnipeds, seabirds, etc.) and volant animals (groups within birds, pterosaurs and bats) that you wish to have on the islands or any from the relevant time periods/places that I have forgotten to list.
You may also only list a few that you really want.

One last thing, how should we present this project? Do you wish to present it from an omnipotent perspective (everything is known, no reason given, like After Man), an implied human-view (mankind is implied but not explicitly stated, with a few natural gaps in information, like Perdido) , completely human-view (mankind is confirmed; information is gathered as research and notes and experiences can be listed, like SpecWorld)? It'll be very important for this project how we will present it after all.

I think I'll end this thread by... tomorrow 5pm EST (roughly 22.5 hours from now)?
After this I'll write up the introduction and relevant information + a tutorial and then we can finally begin this shindig.
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You always have Xenacanthids! They're cooler and more unshark-like anyway.
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Yeah, plus xenacanthids haven't been used much, while hybodontids have been used in more then 3 projects.
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And Xenacanthids are awesome, which is a bonus.
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Not enough trematosaurs. Marine amphibians in general are underrated.
Projects and concepts that I have stewing around
Extended Pleistocene- An alternate future where man died out, and the megafauna would continue to thrive (may or may not include a bit about certain future sapients)
Inverted World- An alternate timeline where an asteroid hit during the Barremian, causing an extinction event before the Maastrichtian. Dinosaurs, pterosaurs, and notosuchians make it to the present, along with a host of other animals.
Badania- Alien planet that has life at a devonian stage of development, except it exists in the present day.
Ido- Alien world where hoppers (derived flightless ballonts) and mouthpart-legged beasts are prevalent.
Leto- Life on a moon orbiting a gas giant with an erratic orbit; experiences extremes of hot and cold.
The Park- ???
Deeper Impact- a world where the K-Pg extinction wipes out crocodilians, mammals, and birds; squamates, choristoderes, and turtles inherit the earth.
World of Equal Opportunity- alternate history where denisovans come across Beringia and interact with native fauna. Much of the Pleistocene fauna survives, and the modern humans that end up crossing into North America do not overhunt the existing animals. 10,000 years later, civilizations exist that are on par with European and Asian societies.
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Eosimiians. That's all I really want. I want my pseudo-monkeys!
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I've some arguable insane azdarchid ideas. Lesothosaurs are also gonna be really important.
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Not enough trematosaurs. Marine amphibians in general are underrated.
Marine iguana-like 5 m long coastal trematosaurs.: D
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Let's not get carried away yet.
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Wobbogong trematosaurs have not been done before. Hey, even trematosaurs that spend their lives at the coast and come back to spawn in freshwater would be cool.

Projects and concepts that I have stewing around
Extended Pleistocene- An alternate future where man died out, and the megafauna would continue to thrive (may or may not include a bit about certain future sapients)
Inverted World- An alternate timeline where an asteroid hit during the Barremian, causing an extinction event before the Maastrichtian. Dinosaurs, pterosaurs, and notosuchians make it to the present, along with a host of other animals.
Badania- Alien planet that has life at a devonian stage of development, except it exists in the present day.
Ido- Alien world where hoppers (derived flightless ballonts) and mouthpart-legged beasts are prevalent.
Leto- Life on a moon orbiting a gas giant with an erratic orbit; experiences extremes of hot and cold.
The Park- ???
Deeper Impact- a world where the K-Pg extinction wipes out crocodilians, mammals, and birds; squamates, choristoderes, and turtles inherit the earth.
World of Equal Opportunity- alternate history where denisovans come across Beringia and interact with native fauna. Much of the Pleistocene fauna survives, and the modern humans that end up crossing into North America do not overhunt the existing animals. 10,000 years later, civilizations exist that are on par with European and Asian societies.
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Alright the deadline has come and this is these are the votes right now (out of 13 except for xenacanthida and mawsoniidae):

• Silesauridae (silesaurs are love, silesaurs are life)
• Rhynchosauria: IIIIIIII(8)
• Poposauroidea: IIIII$(5)
• Stagonolepididae: IIII(4)
• Temnospondyli: IIIIII%III%(11)
• Erpetosuchidae: I$(1)
• Dicynodontia: IIIII%III$(9)
• Nothosauria: IIII%II$(7)
• Protorosauria: II$(2)
• Procolophonoidea: %III(4)
• Phytosauridae: IIIIII%(7)
• Placodontia: IIIIIIII(8)
• Xenacanthida: %IIII(5)
• Mawsoniidae: IIII(4)
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• Sauropodomorpha: IIIIIII(7)
• Coelophysidae: IIIIIII(7)
• Dilophosauridae: III%III$(7)
• Heterodontosauridae: IIIIIIIIII(10)
• Rhynchocephalia: IIIIIIIIII(10)
• Protosuchidae: %II(3)
• Morganucodonta: IIIIIIIII%(10)
• Tritylodontidae: IIIII$(5)
• Tritheledontidae: IIII(4)
• Australochelyidae: IIIIIII(7)
• Lesothosauridae: %IIII%(6)
• Thyreophora: IIIII%IIIII(11)
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• Archaeoceti: III%II(6)
• Herpetotheriidae: IIIIIII(7)
• Proboscidea: IIIIII%III$(10)
• Eosimiidae: II%%III(7)
• Rhacophoridae: IIII(4)
• Bombinatoridae: IIIIIIIII%(10)
• Brontotheriidae: I$$$(1)
• Dichobunidae: IIII%IIII%(10)
• Gondwanatheria: I%II%$(5)
• Tillodontia: II%IIIII(8)
• Psittaciformes: III%%%III(9)

I = one vote
% = strong vote
$ = against

So the top twelve vertebrate fauna choices (the ones that are basically confirmed) are:

quite a few ties.


And some of the runner-ups.

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If you are unhappy that some of your choices did not make the cut then try not to be too sad because there's still a chance later on that we may accept them if you ask for them and give some good reasons and other stuff that will be more relevant later.



Other animals that have been suggested (those with a * beside it are the ones I personally really like or I think is plausible):

- Dimorphodontids*
- Ornithocheirids
- Passerines (Corvidae, Fringillidae)*
- Eudimorphodontidae
- Sauropterygia (leptocleidids)
- Gracilisuchidae
- Sphenosuchia
- Azdarchidae*
- Confuciusornithiformes*
- Enantiornithes
- Pinniped (Phocidae)*
- Mystacinidae
- Columbidae
- Rallidae*
- Sphenicidae*
- Charadriiformes (Scolopacidae, Larus)*
- Procellariformes (Diomedeidae)
- Scincidae
- Gekkonidae*
- Hybodonts
- Tapejarids
- Trematosaurs
- Caprimulgiformes
- Anurognathids

I personally also suggest Traversodontidae, which was SUPPOSED to be in the list (large herbivorous cynodonts? how could they NOT be included) but I didn't notice it wasn't there; sorry. Please comment below if you believe they should or shouldn't be included, or don't.
Other cynodonts like Chiniquodontidae and Diademodotnidae are also my suggestions.

It also seems like full-human perspective has won the day. Now you all should know how to write this thing.

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Alright the pre-development threads are finally over, I will post the the tutorials and introductions over the next few days and then this thing can finally, FINALLY, begin.
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I'm not sure why there was so much hate for protorosaurs, even though they are some of the more plausible survivors from the Trassic (the smaller groups like drepanosaurs and such that is).
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I mean I already said to include them anyways, but eh. If the people don't want protorosaurs, then they won't get protorosaurs.
Projects and concepts that I have stewing around
Extended Pleistocene- An alternate future where man died out, and the megafauna would continue to thrive (may or may not include a bit about certain future sapients)
Inverted World- An alternate timeline where an asteroid hit during the Barremian, causing an extinction event before the Maastrichtian. Dinosaurs, pterosaurs, and notosuchians make it to the present, along with a host of other animals.
Badania- Alien planet that has life at a devonian stage of development, except it exists in the present day.
Ido- Alien world where hoppers (derived flightless ballonts) and mouthpart-legged beasts are prevalent.
Leto- Life on a moon orbiting a gas giant with an erratic orbit; experiences extremes of hot and cold.
The Park- ???
Deeper Impact- a world where the K-Pg extinction wipes out crocodilians, mammals, and birds; squamates, choristoderes, and turtles inherit the earth.
World of Equal Opportunity- alternate history where denisovans come across Beringia and interact with native fauna. Much of the Pleistocene fauna survives, and the modern humans that end up crossing into North America do not overhunt the existing animals. 10,000 years later, civilizations exist that are on par with European and Asian societies.
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So did the runner ups get in? Maybe they're fate depends on whether people can put them to good use? Overall between top choices and runner ups I'm satisfied with the list. I'd be cool with just the suggestions with the * getting in honestly. Sucks if Sphenosuchians didn't get in, thought.

Protorosaurs are amazing. Maybe people just aren't familiar with them? That probably stopped Procolophonoidea and Xenacanthida, which had a lot of potential in my opinion.
Edited by LittleLazyLass, Oct 1 2014, 06:14 PM.
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The runner-ups don't really get in, they have just as much of a chance as anything under 16th place (except Brontotheriidae, screw them).

Protosuchidae is pretty close to Sphenosuchians I think.

Xenacanthida didn't not get in, it and Mawsoniidae were not included entirely in the first few lists so I didn't mention them. They'll probably be in the project though; can't go wrong with freshwater eel-sharks and coelocanths.
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Wait so Lesothosaurs didn't get in? I had a bunch planned for them.... what else is there even vaguely like ornithopods?
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