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Deciding the Island Fauna; We're /THIS/ close to starting this shibang.
Topic Started: Sep 30 2014, 05:35 PM (1,849 Views)
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READ THIS WHOLE THING AND COMMENT ON AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.


Thank you all for helping with this thing so far! This will be the last pre-creation thread I promise, after this I will write the tutorials and what-not and then all of you can post threads and stuff.

So we've gone through the islands' details and such, but now is time to decide on the general vertebrate fauna of the place (due to their large diversity, the archipelago's invertebrates and plants will be answered on a need-to-know basis).

So I've listed the potential fauna from the ages that can make it to the Ansian Islands (yes, that's the name I gave it, if you have a better suggestion say it below). Flying and marine animals have mostly been omitted because they can get to the islands at any time (decide by your own judgement what species could potentially get to and survive on the islands).

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Mid Triassic (242MYA; India/Africa)
Silesauridae (and Nyasasaurus relatives of course)
Rhynchosauria
Poposauroidea
•Stagonolepididae
Temnospondyli
•Erpetosuchidae
Dicynodontia
•Nothosauria
•Protorosauria
•Procolophonoidea
•Phytosauridae
•Placodontia
Xenacanthida
•Mawsoniidae

Early Jurassic (199MYA; Africa)
Sauropodomorpha
•Coelophysidae
•Dilophosauridae
•Heterodontosauridae
•Rhynchocephalia
•Protosuchidae
Morganucodonta
Tritylodontidae
•Tritheledontidae
•Australochelyidae
•Lesothosauridae
Thyreophora

Early Eocene (55MYA; India)
•Archaeoceti
•Herpetotheriidae
Proboscidea
•Eosimiidae
•Rhacophoridae
Bombinatoridae
•Brontotheriidae
Dichobunidae
Gondwanatheria
•Tillodontia
•Psittaciformes*

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The ones marked in light blue designate my personal wish list.
The ones in red designate a choice which is permanent by my own decision and cannot be argued against.
But anyway, I need all of you right now to choose the islands' vertebrate species right now by doing what I just did (highlight the ones you wish for) except with your own choices.
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These choices will be less "permanent" to say and may be slightly altered later on to suit your needs but right now we need something to work with right now. Remember you can only choose a limited number; don't go nuts.
Let's say a maximum of 16-18 faunal groups for now shall we? (I'll be lenient with smaller animals of course). You may also mention marine (mosasaurs, pinnipeds, seabirds, etc.) and volant animals (groups within birds, pterosaurs and bats) that you wish to have on the islands or any from the relevant time periods/places that I have forgotten to list.
You may also only list a few that you really want.

One last thing, how should we present this project? Do you wish to present it from an omnipotent perspective (everything is known, no reason given, like After Man), an implied human-view (mankind is implied but not explicitly stated, with a few natural gaps in information, like Perdido) , completely human-view (mankind is confirmed; information is gathered as research and notes and experiences can be listed, like SpecWorld)? It'll be very important for this project how we will present it after all.

I think I'll end this thread by... tomorrow 5pm EST (roughly 22.5 hours from now)?
After this I'll write up the introduction and relevant information + a tutorial and then we can finally begin this shindig.
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On the point of view, I prefer the completely human-view one (more detailed on the species though).
Edited by Martin, Sep 30 2014, 05:59 PM.
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I approve the list, although honestly brontotheres are slightly questionable. However weirder things have happened in the Cenozoic, so I guess it doesn't really matter. Also placodonts and phytosaurs, which is a big bonus.

I might try to make a thing listing the "restrictions" for some of the endemic flyers (especially pterosaurs) or endemic coastal animals. As with them there's a higher probability of implausibility (like "why didn't that creature [fly/swim] to the mainland?"). Unless we're just going to handwave like Skull Island.

As for the point of view, I think the "implied human-view" and "completely human-view" sound good to me.
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I'd also suggest freshwater Nothosaurs and placodonts, as well as Temnospondyli becoming dominant predators in the waters. Plesiosaurs and Archeocetes would dominate the coasts.

I'd prefer the completely human-view. It offers more room for details and such.
I'd also prefer the first Pterosaurs to be Dimorphodontids: the fact they were poor fliers would handily come in to explain why they never crossed to the mainland (outcompeted by Pterodactyloids and later by birds).
Edited by Crookedjaw, Oct 1 2014, 10:40 AM.
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Oh yeah, forgot to do this.
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Red - Likely
Orange - little less likely
Yellow - Not likely

Although there might be too much small mammal (and cynodont) type creatures on the island (it isn't that big). Although there might be too much of large terrestrial vertebrates, but it's a "lost island" project so that's a given. I've could of been a lot more strict if that weren't the case. This is a few islands with limited resources, so there can only be so much realistically.

EDIT: Updated the list to be a bit more strict.
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You realize this is just a list of potential fauna and definitely not all of them will be able to actually appear on the islands. I simply listed vertebrate animals that were alive during these times and present at the places.
I'm trusting that you should all be making your own logical choices, nothing too absurd and implausible.
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•Silesauridae
Rhynchosauria
•Poposauroidea
•Stagonolepididae
Temnospondyli
•Erpetosuchidae
Dicynodontia
•Nothosauria
•Protorosauria
•Procolophonoidea
•Phytosauridae
Placodontia

•Sauropodomorpha
Coelophysidae
•Dilophosauridae
Heterodontosauridae
Rhynchocephalia
•Protosuchidae
•Morganucodonta
•Tritylodontidae
•Tritheledontidae
Australochelyidae
•Lesothosauridae
Thyreophora

Archaeoceti
Herpetotheriidae
•Proboscidea
Eosimiidae
•Rhacophoridae
Bombinatoridae
•Brontotheriidae
•Dichobunidae
•Gondwanatheria
Tillodontia
Psittaciformes

I also think the island should have penguins, as far as marine animals go.

I'd like to see dimorphodontids, ornithocheirids, and passerines, as far as volant animals go.

Also, I like the omnipotent view or the implied human view.
Edited by Velociraptor, Sep 30 2014, 07:31 PM.
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Mid Triassic (242MYA; India/Africa)
Silesauridae (and Nyasasaurus relatives of course)
Rhynchosauria (?)
Poposauroidea
•Stagonolepididae
Temnospondyli
•Erpetosuchidae
Dicynodontia
Nothosauria
Protorosauria
Procolophonoidea
Phytosauridae
Placodontia
Xenacanthida
Mawsoniidae
Gracilisuchidae
Sauropterygia
Eudimorphodontidae

Early Jurassic (199MYA; Africa)
Sauropodomorpha
Coelophysidae
Dilophosauridae
•Heterodontosauridae
Rhynchocephalia
•Protosuchidae
Morganucodonta
Tritylodontidae
Tritheledontidae
Australochelyidae (?)
Lesothosauridae
Thyreophora
Sphenosuchia
Sauropterygia

Early Eocene (55MYA; India)
Archaeoceti
Herpetotheriidae
Eosimiidae
Proboscidea
•Rhacophoridae
Bombinatoridae
Brontotheriidae
Dichobunidae
Gondwanatheria
Tillodontia
Psittaciformes*

Assorted birds and Pterosaurs
Azdarchidae
Confuciusornithiformes
Enantiornithes
Passeriformes

Italics means a group I want
Underlined means one of my top picks
No modification means a group I don't want
Striked means a group I particularly don't want
Bold Striked means groups a really don't want.
Small means a group I added to the list myself

I don't want Poposaurs so we can experiment with smaller predators (Lewisuchus, Gacilisuchus, etc) evolving into apex predators.

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I have some ways around this with some of the species of pterosaurs I have planned.
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If I was to say anything about marine animals endemic to the islands, I would stay conservative with them, like say a subspecies of seal or penguin or whatever, not too derived from their relatives, just a different population. The most extreme example I could imagine would be a totally unique species of freshwater animal, like a leptocleidid, endemic to the islands, similar to those from Wealden or Australia, which wouldn't stray far from the islands' coastlines.
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Listed Animals

Silesauridae: Confirmed
Rhynchosauridae: 4 people, 1 unsure
Poposauroidea: 2 people, 1 heavily against
Stagonolepididae: 2 people
Temnospondyli: 5 people (suggestions to have them dominant river predators, from several people)
Erpetosuchidae: dust
Dycinodontia: 5 people, 1 against
Nothosauria: 3 people
Protorosauria: 1 person
Procolophonoidea: 1 person
Phytosauria: 3 people
Xenacanthidae: 2 people (Missing from several lists! Was in OP list but not blank list)
Mawsoniidae: 1 person (Missing from several lists! Was in OP list but not blank list)

Sauropodomorpha: 5 people
Coelophysidae: 2 people
Dilophosauridae: 2 people, 1 against
Heterodontosauridae: 4 people
Rhyncocephalia: 4 people
Protosuchidae: dust
Morganucodonta: 5 people
Tritylodontidae: 3 people
Tritheledontidae: 3 people
Australochelyidae: 2 people, 1 unsure
Lesothosauridae: 1 person
Thyreophora: 5 people

Archaeoceti: 4 people
Herpetotheriidae: 4 people
Proboscidea: 4 people, 1 against
Eosimiidae: 3 people
Rhacophoridae: dust
Bombinatoridae: 4 people
Brontotheriidae: 2 people, 2 heavily against
Dichobunidae: 4 people
Gondwannatheria: 2 people
Tilodontia: 3 people
Psittaciformes: 3 people

Suggested Animals
Polycotilydae: 1 person
Plesiosaurs: 3 people
Dimorphodontids: 2 people
Sphenisciformes: 1 person, 1 unsure
Ornithocheirids: 1 person
Passeriformes: 2 people
Gracilisuchidae: 1 person
Sauropterygia: 4 people
Eudimorphodontidae: 1 person
Sphenosuchia: 1 person
Azdarchidae: 1 person
Confuciusornithiformes: 1 person
Enantiornithes: 1 person
Pinnipedia: 1 unsure
Leptocleididae: 1 person

*Unanimous agreement for human point of view; not everything is understood about these creatures

*Brontotheriidae, Tritheledontidae, Nothosauria, and Erpetosuchidae plausibility heavily questioned by some

*Rhyncosauria, Stagonolepididae, Temnospondyli, Procolophonoidea, Placodontia, Sauropodomorpha, Dilophosauridae, Thyreophora, Eosimiidae, Gondwannatheria, and Trilodontia somewhat questioned by some

*Suggested to limit, potentially heavily, relictual flying and swimming taxa

*Invertebrates and plants will be sorted out as need be

(This post will be updates as need be)
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Make that three, I've had idea for quite a while now and is entirely the reason why I wanted them.

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Oops... well I fixed it now but I guess it's a little late... Whatever, it's not too important.

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Should make that "2 heavily against", you saw hybrid's strong unlikeliness against them.

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I'm thinking of extending the deadline, although we'll see when the time comes if there are enough of these lists (and perspective votes).
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Those in blue I think should be on the island, while those in green I think should be on the island and strongly want them there.

Also complete human experience please
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Poposauroidea
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Temnospondyli
•Erpetosuchidae
•Dicynodontia
Nothosauria
•Protorosauria
•Procolophonoidea
Phytosauridae
Placodontia
•Xenacanthida
•Mawsoniidae

•Sauropodomorpha
Coelophysidae
Dilophosauridae
Heterodontosauridae
Rhynchocephalia
•Protosuchidae
Morganucodonta
Tritylodontidae
•Tritheledontidae
•Australochelyidae
•Lesothosauridae
Thyreophora

•Archaeoceti
•Herpetotheriidae
Proboscidea
Eosimiidae
•Rhacophoridae
Bombinatoridae
•Brontotheriidae
Dichobunidae
•Gondwanatheria
•Tillodontia
Psittaciformes

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