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| Deciding the Island Fauna; We're /THIS/ close to starting this shibang. | |
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| Topic Started: Sep 30 2014, 05:35 PM (1,849 Views) | |
| Troll Man | Sep 30 2014, 05:35 PM Post #1 |
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READ THIS WHOLE THING AND COMMENT ON AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. Thank you all for helping with this thing so far! This will be the last pre-creation thread I promise, after this I will write the tutorials and what-not and then all of you can post threads and stuff. So we've gone through the islands' details and such, but now is time to decide on the general vertebrate fauna of the place (due to their large diversity, the archipelago's invertebrates and plants will be answered on a need-to-know basis). So I've listed the potential fauna from the ages that can make it to the Ansian Islands (yes, that's the name I gave it, if you have a better suggestion say it below). Flying and marine animals have mostly been omitted because they can get to the islands at any time (decide by your own judgement what species could potentially get to and survive on the islands). --- Mid Triassic (242MYA; India/Africa) •Silesauridae (and Nyasasaurus relatives of course) •Rhynchosauria •Poposauroidea •Stagonolepididae •Temnospondyli •Erpetosuchidae •Dicynodontia •Nothosauria •Protorosauria •Procolophonoidea •Phytosauridae •Placodontia •Xenacanthida •Mawsoniidae Early Jurassic (199MYA; Africa) •Sauropodomorpha •Coelophysidae •Dilophosauridae •Heterodontosauridae •Rhynchocephalia •Protosuchidae •Morganucodonta •Tritylodontidae •Tritheledontidae •Australochelyidae •Lesothosauridae •Thyreophora Early Eocene (55MYA; India) •Archaeoceti •Herpetotheriidae •Proboscidea •Eosimiidae •Rhacophoridae •Bombinatoridae •Brontotheriidae •Dichobunidae •Gondwanatheria •Tillodontia •Psittaciformes* --- The ones marked in light blue designate my personal wish list. The ones in red designate a choice which is permanent by my own decision and cannot be argued against. But anyway, I need all of you right now to choose the islands' vertebrate species right now by doing what I just did (highlight the ones you wish for) except with your own choices. Here's a blank template: Spoiler: click to toggle These choices will be less "permanent" to say and may be slightly altered later on to suit your needs but right now we need something to work with right now. Remember you can only choose a limited number; don't go nuts. Let's say a maximum of 16-18 faunal groups for now shall we? (I'll be lenient with smaller animals of course). You may also mention marine (mosasaurs, pinnipeds, seabirds, etc.) and volant animals (groups within birds, pterosaurs and bats) that you wish to have on the islands or any from the relevant time periods/places that I have forgotten to list. You may also only list a few that you really want. One last thing, how should we present this project? Do you wish to present it from an omnipotent perspective (everything is known, no reason given, like After Man), an implied human-view (mankind is implied but not explicitly stated, with a few natural gaps in information, like Perdido) , completely human-view (mankind is confirmed; information is gathered as research and notes and experiences can be listed, like SpecWorld)? It'll be very important for this project how we will present it after all. I think I'll end this thread by... tomorrow 5pm EST (roughly 22.5 hours from now)? After this I'll write up the introduction and relevant information + a tutorial and then we can finally begin this shindig. |
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| Monster | Sep 30 2014, 05:54 PM Post #2 |
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I'll have a think about organisms but I prefer completely human-view or omnipotent view. |
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| Martin | Sep 30 2014, 05:57 PM Post #3 |
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Spoiler: click to toggle On the point of view, I prefer the completely human-view one (more detailed on the species though). Edited by Martin, Sep 30 2014, 05:59 PM.
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| Hybrid | Sep 30 2014, 06:17 PM Post #4 |
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I approve the list, although honestly brontotheres are slightly questionable. However weirder things have happened in the Cenozoic, so I guess it doesn't really matter. Also placodonts and phytosaurs, which is a big bonus. I might try to make a thing listing the "restrictions" for some of the endemic flyers (especially pterosaurs) or endemic coastal animals. As with them there's a higher probability of implausibility (like "why didn't that creature [fly/swim] to the mainland?"). Unless we're just going to handwave like Skull Island. As for the point of view, I think the "implied human-view" and "completely human-view" sound good to me. |
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| Crookedjaw | Sep 30 2014, 06:17 PM Post #5 |
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Spoiler: click to toggle I'd also suggest freshwater Nothosaurs and placodonts, as well as Temnospondyli becoming dominant predators in the waters. Plesiosaurs and Archeocetes would dominate the coasts. I'd prefer the completely human-view. It offers more room for details and such. I'd also prefer the first Pterosaurs to be Dimorphodontids: the fact they were poor fliers would handily come in to explain why they never crossed to the mainland (outcompeted by Pterodactyloids and later by birds). Edited by Crookedjaw, Oct 1 2014, 10:40 AM.
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| Hybrid | Sep 30 2014, 06:40 PM Post #6 |
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Oh yeah, forgot to do this. Spoiler: click to toggle Red - Likely Orange - little less likely Yellow - Not likely EDIT: Updated the list to be a bit more strict. Edited by Hybrid, Sep 30 2014, 09:59 PM.
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If I sound rude while critiquing, I apologize in hindsight! "To those like the misguided; look at the story of Man, and come to your senses! It is not the destination, but the trip that matters. What you do today influences tomorrow, not the other way around. Love Today, and seize All Tomorrows!" - Nemo Ramjet ノ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ヽ
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| Troll Man | Sep 30 2014, 06:50 PM Post #7 |
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You realize this is just a list of potential fauna and definitely not all of them will be able to actually appear on the islands. I simply listed vertebrate animals that were alive during these times and present at the places. I'm trusting that you should all be making your own logical choices, nothing too absurd and implausible. |
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| Velociraptor | Sep 30 2014, 06:51 PM Post #8 |
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•Silesauridae •Rhynchosauria •Poposauroidea •Stagonolepididae •Temnospondyli •Erpetosuchidae •Dicynodontia •Nothosauria •Protorosauria •Procolophonoidea •Phytosauridae •Placodontia •Sauropodomorpha •Coelophysidae •Dilophosauridae •Heterodontosauridae •Rhynchocephalia •Protosuchidae •Morganucodonta •Tritylodontidae •Tritheledontidae •Australochelyidae •Lesothosauridae •Thyreophora •Archaeoceti •Herpetotheriidae •Proboscidea •Eosimiidae •Rhacophoridae •Bombinatoridae •Brontotheriidae •Dichobunidae •Gondwanatheria •Tillodontia •Psittaciformes I also think the island should have penguins, as far as marine animals go. I'd like to see dimorphodontids, ornithocheirids, and passerines, as far as volant animals go. Also, I like the omnipotent view or the implied human view. Edited by Velociraptor, Sep 30 2014, 07:31 PM.
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| LittleLazyLass | Sep 30 2014, 06:53 PM Post #9 |
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Mid Triassic (242MYA; India/Africa) •Silesauridae (and Nyasasaurus relatives of course) •Rhynchosauria (?) • •Stagonolepididae •Temnospondyli •Erpetosuchidae • •Nothosauria •Protorosauria •Procolophonoidea •Phytosauridae •Placodontia •Xenacanthida •Mawsoniidae •Gracilisuchidae •Sauropterygia •Eudimorphodontidae Early Jurassic (199MYA; Africa) •Sauropodomorpha •Coelophysidae • •Heterodontosauridae •Rhynchocephalia •Protosuchidae •Morganucodonta •Tritylodontidae •Tritheledontidae •Australochelyidae (?) •Lesothosauridae •Thyreophora •Sphenosuchia •Sauropterygia Early Eocene (55MYA; India) •Archaeoceti •Herpetotheriidae •Eosimiidae • •Rhacophoridae •Bombinatoridae • •Dichobunidae •Gondwanatheria •Tillodontia •Psittaciformes* Assorted birds and Pterosaurs •Azdarchidae •Confuciusornithiformes •Enantiornithes •Passeriformes Italics means a group I want Underlined means one of my top picks No modification means a group I don't want Bold Striked means groups a really don't want. Small means a group I added to the list myself I don't want Poposaurs so we can experiment with smaller predators (Lewisuchus, Gacilisuchus, etc) evolving into apex predators.
I have some ways around this with some of the species of pterosaurs I have planned. Edited by LittleLazyLass, Sep 30 2014, 06:55 PM.
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| ÐK | Sep 30 2014, 06:53 PM Post #10 |
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My Wishlist If I was to say anything about marine animals endemic to the islands, I would stay conservative with them, like say a subspecies of seal or penguin or whatever, not too derived from their relatives, just a different population. The most extreme example I could imagine would be a totally unique species of freshwater animal, like a leptocleidid, endemic to the islands, similar to those from Wealden or Australia, which wouldn't stray far from the islands' coastlines. |
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| LittleLazyLass | Sep 30 2014, 07:48 PM Post #11 |
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Listed Animals Silesauridae: Confirmed Rhynchosauridae: 4 people, 1 unsure Poposauroidea: 2 people, 1 heavily against Stagonolepididae: 2 people Temnospondyli: 5 people (suggestions to have them dominant river predators, from several people) Erpetosuchidae: dust Dycinodontia: 5 people, 1 against Nothosauria: 3 people Protorosauria: 1 person Procolophonoidea: 1 person Phytosauria: 3 people Xenacanthidae: 2 people (Missing from several lists! Was in OP list but not blank list) Mawsoniidae: 1 person (Missing from several lists! Was in OP list but not blank list) Sauropodomorpha: 5 people Coelophysidae: 2 people Dilophosauridae: 2 people, 1 against Heterodontosauridae: 4 people Rhyncocephalia: 4 people Protosuchidae: dust Morganucodonta: 5 people Tritylodontidae: 3 people Tritheledontidae: 3 people Australochelyidae: 2 people, 1 unsure Lesothosauridae: 1 person Thyreophora: 5 people Archaeoceti: 4 people Herpetotheriidae: 4 people Proboscidea: 4 people, 1 against Eosimiidae: 3 people Rhacophoridae: dust Bombinatoridae: 4 people Brontotheriidae: 2 people, 2 heavily against Dichobunidae: 4 people Gondwannatheria: 2 people Tilodontia: 3 people Psittaciformes: 3 people Suggested Animals Polycotilydae: 1 person Plesiosaurs: 3 people Dimorphodontids: 2 people Sphenisciformes: 1 person, 1 unsure Ornithocheirids: 1 person Passeriformes: 2 people Gracilisuchidae: 1 person Sauropterygia: 4 people Eudimorphodontidae: 1 person Sphenosuchia: 1 person Azdarchidae: 1 person Confuciusornithiformes: 1 person Enantiornithes: 1 person Pinnipedia: 1 unsure Leptocleididae: 1 person *Unanimous agreement for human point of view; not everything is understood about these creatures *Brontotheriidae, Tritheledontidae, Nothosauria, and Erpetosuchidae plausibility heavily questioned by some *Rhyncosauria, Stagonolepididae, Temnospondyli, Procolophonoidea, Placodontia, Sauropodomorpha, Dilophosauridae, Thyreophora, Eosimiidae, Gondwannatheria, and Trilodontia somewhat questioned by some *Suggested to limit, potentially heavily, relictual flying and swimming taxa *Invertebrates and plants will be sorted out as need be (This post will be updates as need be) Edited by LittleLazyLass, Sep 30 2014, 08:07 PM.
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| Troll Man | Sep 30 2014, 08:01 PM Post #12 |
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Make that three, I've had idea for quite a while now and is entirely the reason why I wanted them.
Oops... well I fixed it now but I guess it's a little late... Whatever, it's not too important.
Should make that "2 heavily against", you saw hybrid's strong unlikeliness against them. --- I'm thinking of extending the deadline, although we'll see when the time comes if there are enough of these lists (and perspective votes). |
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| Zorcuspine | Sep 30 2014, 08:37 PM Post #13 |
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Spoiler: click to toggle Those in blue I think should be on the island, while those in green I think should be on the island and strongly want them there. Also complete human experience please Edited by Zorcuspine, Sep 30 2014, 08:45 PM.
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| Archipithecus | Sep 30 2014, 09:42 PM Post #14 |
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•Silesauridae •Rhynchosauria •Poposauroidea •Stagonolepididae •Temnospondyli •Erpetosuchidae •Dicynodontia •Nothosauria •Protorosauria •Procolophonoidea •Phytosauridae •Placodontia •Xenacanthida •Mawsoniidae •Sauropodomorpha •Coelophysidae •Dilophosauridae •Heterodontosauridae •Rhynchocephalia •Protosuchidae •Morganucodonta •Tritylodontidae •Tritheledontidae •Australochelyidae •Lesothosauridae •Thyreophora •Archaeoceti •Herpetotheriidae •Proboscidea •Eosimiidae •Rhacophoridae •Bombinatoridae •Brontotheriidae •Dichobunidae •Gondwanatheria •Tillodontia •Psittaciformes You guys wanted my opinion, so ta-da. Thanks to wikipedia, I've found one. Italics are ones I think will survive, bold italics are ones I really want. |
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| Even | Oct 1 2014, 12:53 AM Post #15 |
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