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Topic Started: Sep 17 2014, 05:52 PM (4,409 Views)
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Jun 10 2015, 02:32 PM
Kind of unrelated, but I have mixed feelings on Gods and Monsters.

On the one hand, some of the AU scenarios are brilliant.

On the other, 2edgy4me.
Yeah, I just saw one clip of it on Youtube and was just like "Nope, nope, nope." I'm so sick of DC's obsession with grimdark, it can work well in Batman but not so much with anything else they do.
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How come Batman keeps killing people? I thought it was Batman's goal to bring criminals to justice and not kill them. But here we are, with Batman basically being a vampire version of the Punisher.
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You know what one of my favorite lines from Batman is? It comes from the B:TAS episode "The Underdwellers". The villain of the story, called Sewer King, has an army of children he's enslaved to work for him, and Batman has just saved him from an oncoming subway train. He asks why he saved him.

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This, IMO, is one of the quotes that perfectly encapsulates what Batman should be about.
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JohnFaa
Jun 10 2015, 02:32 PM
Kind of unrelated, but I have mixed feelings on Gods and Monsters.

On the one hand, some of the AU scenarios are brilliant.

On the other, 2edgy4me.
Yeah, I just saw one clip of it on Youtube and was just like "Nope, nope, nope." I'm so sick of DC's obsession with grimdark, it can work well in Batman but not so much with anything else they do.
The hilarious thing is that Marvel used to be the comic company known for dark stories. DC was better known for more idealistic works, like Superman and Batman.
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The fact that it's parroting actually well executed grimdark elseworlds doesn't help its case.

But like I said, it has some very good ideas, though admitely they wasted one of them by killing him off.
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Jun 11 2015, 03:48 PM
How come Batman keeps killing people? I thought it was Batman's goal to bring criminals to justice and not kill them. But here we are, with Batman basically being a vampire version of the Punisher.
You know it's an alternate universe where Kirk Langstrom is Batman, right?

Anyway, while I tend to lash out how not everything DC has to make be Dark, at least in Gods and Monsters it kind'a works in context.

Bruce Timm knows what he's doing, he's not making this dark for the sake of making it dark, here the dark and gritty nature actually serves a purpose.

Although if it still doesn't suite you, there's always Batman Unlimited.

OOOOORRR, the DC Super Friends shorts on youtube. Its' got Rachael MaFarlane as Wonder Woman and Johnny Yong Bosch as Robin!!XD

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So just because it's someone else justifies the fact that Batman is killing people? Why exactly is this Batman justified in killing anybody when he's supposed to be the hero? It's not that I'm against dark stuff, it's the fact that Batman straight up murdered Harley Quinn.
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Jun 11 2015, 07:52 PM
So just because it's someone else justifies the fact that Batman is killing people? Why exactly is this Batman justified in killing anybody when he's supposed to be the hero? It's not that I'm against dark stuff, it's the fact that Batman straight up murdered Harley Quinn.
Again... ELSEWHERE STORY... KIRK LANGSTROM... VAMPIRE!!
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I get that it's an Elseworld story, but even in the story where Superman's a communist working for Stalin he doesn't kill anyone. Also I still don't get why I'm supposed to root for the character when he murders people, even if they are criminals.
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Jun 11 2015, 08:04 PM
I get that it's an Elseworld story, but even in the story where Superman's a communist working for Stalin he doesn't kill anyone. Also I still don't get why I'm supposed to root for the character when he murders people, even if they are criminals.
We'll just have to watch the film and see.

Maybe this will be like Watchmen.
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I've been watching a ton of videos where Man of Steel has been edited in some fashion. More saturated colors, bits of music replaced with the old John Williams score, and cutting out the cringeworthy parts, like Jonathan Kent's 'Maybe you should've let them die' and the dumb tornado scene.

You know what would be cool? If someone recut, and redubbed the movie to make it much better.

Like, brighten the entire thing. Edit out those stray chest hairs that you can see on the neck of the costume, and if possible, add in Superman's spit curl and smooth out the costume so that it doesn't look like it was made from recycled basketballs.

Change all of the dialogue from a two-hour long exposition dump into actual character interaction, so the characters can actually have, y'know, character. And also so that Pa Kent doesn't sound like a dickhead.

Alter all of the signs in the movie into fictional DC Universe counterparts like Soder Cola and Big Belly Burger, so that there isn't so much blatant product placement.

Alter all the scenes of extreme destruction in Metropolis so that it's simply just buildings with holes in them, and edit out the citizens so that the city looks evacuated.

Get rid of the neck breaking scene entirely. Have Zod pass out from the chokehold he was in, and then fade out.


Seriously, this shit can be done, because I've seen extensive editing work for a ton of shit.
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Can you do that?!
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I can't personally, but I've seen the results of some awesome edits, like Spider-Man in the Avengers, alterations of entire scenes in DBZ and Hellsing, and the previously mentioned Man of Steel edits.

Just watched Gods and Monsters.


Ghido, you do realize that Batman didn't have a no-kill policy until the Comics Code came along, right? He used guns regularly.

Not to mention, this is Kirk Langstrom. He didn't watch his parents die when he was a child, so he has no aversion to killing, nor would his moral code be as strict.

Also, he's a fuckmothering vampire. He has to drink blood, and if he's going to get it, where better than a bunch of serial killers? Whose to say he doesn't spare the more sympathetic villains, like Mister Freeze?


The reason the Soviet Superman from Red Son didn't kill is because he was raised not to believe in killing. The only thing that really makes him somewhat antagonistic is that he interferes with humans in order to try and do the right thing, rather than do the right thing and set an example so that human achievement still holds meaning.
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Oh it's not that the protagonist is an elseworld Batman that kills is a problem for me, It's the fact that they play it up as so edgy and cool that rubs me the wrong way. I also thought the shot with Harley Quinn's victims was too gratuitous, so hideous it felt like they were trying too hard to seem adult (plus eww, that was so gross.) I will admit I haven't seen the rest of the movie though, so perhaps there are much better parts to it.
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