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Martian Manhunter > Superman. He's got a similar backstory, but without the "saviour of mankind" bollocks, and is thus a nicer, more down to earth dude, who just deals with people on a much more sensible level. He's also smarter, and has mind powers! Also, more powerful, by Supes' own admission. But then, I've not read much of the material, maybe some author or other wrote Jonn as a homicidal maniac with daddy issues or some such nonsense.
Yeah, right!? J'onn is one of the best heroes of the JL.
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Yahoo movies just aired the official trailer to the Killing Joke. Thoughts anyone?

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Apr 4 2016, 02:30 PM
Superman never calls himself the savior of mankind.
what was that thing about actions speaking louder than words (that he never says) ?

or about not correcting people when they call him that.
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Hardly anyone in the comics calls him that either.

There's no reason for him to correct statements never made.
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Thing is, Supes isn't a pompous jackass. That would be Lex Luthor.

Supes deliberately doesn't show off this tech to mankind. He values people making progress on their own, without outside help from anyone else. The moon landing would have meant a whole lot less if it was based on alien tech.

Something tells me you've never actually read and analyzed a Superman comic before. Or at least one written by people who actually get him.
"Houston, we have a problem"
*Superman flies up, and brings the vehicle back to Earth for repairs*
(because what was he going to do - leave those guys up there to solve it or die? yeah, real humanitarian. and if he saves the day, that negates your whole "without outside help from anyone else" comment...though, pretty much any robbery he stops, any kidnapping he foils, any dictators he crushes, he is the outside help being provided; where do you draw the line?)

a person doesn't need to analyze a comic to be able to tell if someone is pompous, just like you don't need to analyze The Force Awakens to know how to describe Kylo Ren's behavior when he gets bad news.
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Hardly anyone in the comics calls him that either.

There's no reason for him to correct statements never made.
"hardly anyone" is not "never"

so, we're not including the movies or shows he figures in (even Supergirl) ?
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Apr 4 2016, 12:41 PM
Something tells me you haven't actually consumed enough of the source material to have actually gotten a grasp on Superman.
you mean like the comic book where the writers had to find a way to keep Superman from ending WW2 overnight? (they got him so excited he read the eye chart perfectly...but it was the chart three rooms away)

hard to go wrong with the classic Man Of Steel, Woman Of Kleenex.

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true...but Superman's strength level is less like The Rock, and more like Shai-Hulud.
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Dec 4 2015, 04:41 AM
Batman is far from being very realistic, considering he somehow knows and has mastered every single martial art, and he's got like eleven degrees. He's also supposed to be on an 'Olympic' level in several aspects of his fitness. It takes a lifetime of dedication to master even one martial art, and degrees also take an absurd amount of time to get. Even Olympians aren't perfect all the time, and yet Batman is somehow perfect everytime he runs, jumps, swims, and throws his batarangs.

Bruce Wayne as the mentally ill man who adopts children who've gone through similar pain and tries to help the supervillains he detains because he can relate to them*, while compelling and nice, just doesn't make sense from the perspective of someone living in the 21st century.
its ironic that you call Batman (etc?) unrealistic, given how many characters you've made that are superpowered people who use animal names and run around in multi-colored tights. you even use the same superpowers.

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We're then expected to believe that he's in his late 30s/early 40s, and is somehow capable of staying awake for several hours every day and night with little rest. We're then also told that at night, he goes on patrol and performs feats of strength that would exhaust any Olympian. And he does this nearly every night, without a break.

Any real human being would collapse from exhaustion after the first week of doing what Batman does.


I take it you've never met a SEAL or anyone else whose training allows them to live on very little sleep and doing things that most people have trouble doing.

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In the modern world, Bruce Wayne's origin story wouldn't even get off the ground because mental health care is so much better today than it was in the 1930s.


says one of the milder cases. ever hear of Level Five? I was there. ever hear of Level Six? I knew kids who got sent there.
(Level Four is regular classes & honors society)

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Batman won't be popular forever, though. Brighter, happier heroes are starting to break through the monotony of 'realistic means dark and gritty'. Steven Universe, Flash, Big Hero 6, Supergirl, the Avengers, and so many others.


I could ask in what universe are the Avengers bright and cheerful?...but I'll just remind you that we HAD brighter, happier heroes...and they gave rise to the "dark and gritty" ones.

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Layer 2: Doesn't know more than one martial art. Is instead trained in Ninjutsu, and knows the basics of multiple martial arts,


...which means he knows more than one. its like languages - knowing a few phrases is not the same as being fluent...but its definitely not the same as not knowing the language.

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Layer 5: He doesn't just pull money out of WayneTech, because embezzlement is a crime.


a. who's going to report him? the people he pays, or the people lining their own pockets?
b. yes, why bother to fight criminals and save people, if it means using money from a company you own six ways from sunday?

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Layer 6: He isn't the ace. He's a street-level hero who created a myth around himself, and it's the myth that allows him to be a terrifying superhero


that's the Batman of comics and movies.

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Martian Manhunter is a hero who suffers from PTSD, which tons of people can relate to, since tons of people suffer from PTSD. He watched his family die in a horrible war/plague, and suffers heavily from survivor's guilt. You could also buy this guy's weakness at a gas station check-out counter for about a dollar.


if you can get PTSD from a gas station counter, you may want to reconsider using those counters.

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Superman is probably the easiest member of the League for me to relate to, as I have autism.


I have autism too. yet I couldnt' related to Superman -- like Jesus, he had no flaws, he had nothing to make him seem like a normal guy (which was what Clark Kent was for, I suppose)

so when you want to depict scenes from his childhood - like Smallville or Man Of Steel - you pretty much have to make it up out of whole cloth, and you have to decide if you're going to change Superman a lot or a little.
(this is a person who can fly in our atmosphere -- it doesn't matter what psychological treatments were available in Kansas: he could go anywhere on Earth for medication. who could stop him?)


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She's even disfigured and wears red and black!


holy shite, how dare they...wait, are we supposed to be vitriolic about her being disfigured, or about her being dressed in only two colors?
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Ok, dude you don't have to keep posting a huge post response every 5 seconds, it's kinda gradius.
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Jun 11 2015, 08:10 PM
Change all of the dialogue from a two-hour long exposition dump into actual character interaction, so the characters can actually have, y'know, character. And also so that Pa Kent doesn't sound like a dickhead.
I don't understand...was this posted before you could relate to Superman, with him having trouble adjusting to life on Earth where he's unique and nothing feels quite right for him?

...because in Man Of Steel, his human dad was trying to help him survive and live a normal life (which is what pretty much every autistic person I know wants)

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Alter all the scenes of extreme destruction in Metropolis so that it's simply just buildings with holes in them, and edit out the citizens so that the city looks evacuated.


riiight...how fast can you evacuate a city?

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Get rid of the neck breaking scene entirely. Have Zod pass out from the chokehold he was in, and then fade out.


why? even I can think of several possible reasons why the neck-breaking works:

1. Clark has never fought anyone who was as strong as him (Faora-Ul was closest, and she stayed in her environment suit, so she didn't have the solar powering the other two did)...so whether or not Clark intended to snap that neck, is moot: it happened.
2. Zod had just sworn to not ever stop until Earth became Krypton 2.0 a chokehold would only be a stalling tactic. (where are you going to put him? when he wakes up, he'll just escape and do it all again, only maybe not as peacefully as before)

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Seriously, this shit can be done, because I've seen extensive editing work for a ton of shit.


yes, it CAN be done. it is ALSO very very expensive.


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Apr 27 2016, 01:24 AM
Ok, dude you don't have to keep posting a huge post response every 5 seconds, it's kinda gradius.
sorry...I'm trying to edit them into the preceeding post; but one rule I learned over the course of many communities, is that if someone else posts in between your posts, your posts can't - or shouldn't - be edited into a single post.

also, wasn't aiming for 5 seconds; was aiming for an average of one post every three or four pages (kidding)
seriously, I was reading back through the thread, in part so I could learn more about the DC universe beyond the little bits and pieces I do know.
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Thing is, Supes isn't a pompous jackass. That would be Lex Luthor.

Supes deliberately doesn't show off this tech to mankind. He values people making progress on their own, without outside help from anyone else. The moon landing would have meant a whole lot less if it was based on alien tech.

Something tells me you've never actually read and analyzed a Superman comic before. Or at least one written by people who actually get him.
"Houston, we have a problem"
*Superman flies up, and brings the vehicle back to Earth for repairs*
(because what was he going to do - leave those guys up there to solve it or die? yeah, real humanitarian. and if he saves the day, that negates your whole "without outside help from anyone else" comment...though, pretty much any robbery he stops, any kidnapping he foils, any dictators he crushes, he is the outside help being provided; where do you draw the line?)
False equivalence.

Superman stopping another Challenger accident is a very different situation from 'Superman repairing the ship himself while also giving it a Kryptonian warpdrive'.

One action merely saves lives, the other directly interferes with human progress and achievements.

Superman stopping robberies and foiling kidnappings is no different from what someone like Batman or the Flash(humans, mind you) would do. As a superhero, it'd be pointless if he didn't fight crime. That's literally part of the job description.

Superman doesn't crush dictators. He's made it a point to keep out of international affairs, since that falls under 'meddling with human progress'. If he crushed Kim Jong Un under his heel, that would make him no better than a villain like Sinestro.

Instead, when Superman does come into conflict with dictators, its almost universally because they've dragged him into their fights, but he hardly ever goes after them.

When he does depose dictators, it's almost always because said dictators are space aliens who have made the very, very, bad decision to get Superman involved.

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a person doesn't need to analyze a comic to be able to tell if someone is pompous, just like you don't need to analyze The Force Awakens to know how to describe Kylo Ren's behavior when he gets bad news.
Actually, you really do need to read the comics to get a grasp on someone's behavior.

Superman doesn't bask in praise after stopping a bank robbery. He goes 'just doing what I can to help' and flies off. The guy does what he does because he genuinely believes in and enjoys helping others. The most pompous the guy gets is when he's playfully teasing his friends.

Every action he makes when in his blue tights is to help other people, even if it'd be at his own expense.

Lex Luthor is pompous. All of his actions are only to feed his ego. Even in the New 52, where he's become a superhero, it's o

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Hardly anyone in the comics calls him that either.

There's no reason for him to correct statements never made.
"hardly anyone" is not "never"

so, we're not including the movies or shows he figures in (even Supergirl) ?
The only people who do call him that tend to be of the villainous sort, who really don't get him.

No, we're not counting shows or movies. Especially not the current movies.

I stopped watching Supergirl early in its run. How a show in the New Tens ends up being worse than a show from the 90s will forever confuse me.
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Double posting because I don't give a shit anymore.

Quick Question: Why do you always seem to single out and antagonize me in my posts? I swear to god, it seems like you generally have nothing better to do than try and start arguments with me, especially on topics that were over for weeks.
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Something tells me you've never actually read and analyzed a Superman comic before. Or at least one written by people who actually get him.
"Houston, we have a problem"
*Superman flies up, and brings the vehicle back to Earth for repairs*
(because what was he going to do - leave those guys up there to solve it or die? yeah, real humanitarian. and if he saves the day, that negates your whole "without outside help from anyone else" comment...though, pretty much any robbery he stops, any kidnapping he foils, any dictators he crushes, he is the outside help being provided; where do you draw the line?)[/quote]False equivalence.[/quote]

how?

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Superman stopping another Challenger accident is a very different situation from 'Superman repairing the ship himself while also giving it a Kryptonian warpdrive'.

stopping...

um, you do realize, don't you, that "Houston, we have a problem" pre-dates the Challenger disaster. by years.
{and, while I never suggested he put Kryptonian tech in the ship, that would only increase the problems - that thing wasn't made for being used for weeks or months or however long a Kryptonian warpdrive would send them. and would Superman go with them in case they break down again? or would he fly back to Earth to continue fighting crime?}

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One action merely saves lives, the other directly interferes with human progress and achievements.


{ah, so that's why Superman didn't save any of the people who died in fires testing NASA engines? because he wanted Armstrong to walk on the Moon without Kryptonian help? my point (and in a moment too) is that people die during the course of "human progress and achievements", however noble the cause or end may be}

and throwing out moldy bread would've saved lives through sanitary conditions, while denying people the medication it brought about.

Superman could have fixed the Hubble Space Telescope for us, seconds after the first images came in blurry...and we would have been thankful, but we'd never learn what went wrong or how to fix something in space.

on the other hand, on Superman's Earth, we can afford to let things get messed up -- we have Superman to fix them for us. faulty Hubble, industrial sludge in a river, anything at all - just call Superman.

{which reminds me of something...not sure if it was Superman or Doctor Who or where but as someone under his protection is dying, he asks "why?" and is told that they did what they liked & lived as threateningly to their neighbors as they did, "because we knew you would save us. every time" and he realizes that his protection has been *too* good. it was like the Doctor's realization of "I've lived too long."}


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Superman stopping robberies and foiling kidnappings is no different from what someone like Batman or the Flash(humans, mind you) would do. As a superhero, it'd be pointless if he didn't fight crime. That's literally part of the job description.


Its hard to be heroic when nothing can hurt you.

if the Flash, Batman, and Superman went into a burning building to save people, it wouldn't be heroism for all three --- there'd be rescues by all three, certainly. but while the Flash and Batman are putting their lives at risk (no matter how armored or fast they are), Superman's only risking death or injury if there's kryptonite in the walls and floors.

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Superman doesn't crush dictators. He's made it a point to keep out of international affairs, since that falls under 'meddling with human progress'. If he crushed Kim Jong Un under his heel, that would make him no better than a villain like Sinestro.


What was that you were saying about Superman wanting to save lives?
or does Superman simply not care about matters that don't either ask for his help, or involve his friends? (he's 99.9999999999999999999999% invulnerable to everything, so of everyone - hero and villain - he of all people can afford to not give a darn)


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a person doesn't need to analyze a comic to be able to tell if someone is pompous, just like you don't need to analyze The Force Awakens to know how to describe Kylo Ren's behavior when he gets bad news.
Actually, you really do need to read the comics to get a grasp on someone's behavior.


reading the comics is reading the comics. an analysis would be like the books Batman And Psychology or the ones about the mindsets in Game Of Thrones and Zombieland.

I am presently reading the VADER series...do I need to read a thesis analyzing the Dark Lord of the Sith to know where the guy sits on the moral spectrum? or can I be trusted to read the comic by itself?

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Superman doesn't bask in praise after stopping a bank robbery. He goes 'just doing what I can to help' and flies off.


Where the... I never said he basks in praise. I said that's what he's called. its like Voldemort - nobody calls him "He Who Shall Not Be Named" to his face or faces...its what he's called when he's not around.


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No, we're not counting shows or movies. Especially not the current movies.


ahh...anything else we're not supposed to count? I want to know if I'm only supposed to be reading the current comics, the Silver Age, the Golden Age, or something else.
{no, that's NOT sarcasm or mockery - I genuinely would care to know}



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Apr 27 2016, 01:36 AM
Double posting because I don't give a shit anymore.

Quick Question: Why do you always seem to single out and antagonize me in my posts? I swear to god, it seems like you generally have nothing better to do than try and start arguments with me,
I'm not aiming to antagonize; I'm just trying to hold a conversation - I'm replying. I wasn't replying only to you here - just to people who made points that I found interesting and worthy of replying to.
you were one of them.

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especially on topics that were over for weeks.


well ex-cuse me for coming late to the thread. I was catching up; being autistic, its something I oblige myself to do, because if I don't do, it rattles around in my brain until I break something (like the refrigerator)
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well ex-cuse me for coming late to the thread. I was catching up; being autistic, its something I oblige myself to do, because if I don't do, it rattles around in my brain until I break something (like the refrigerator)


Never EVER use your autism as a lech or excuse, ever again!! I have aspergers myself, but I don't try to justify myself for that for whatever screw up I make on this site!
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