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| trex841 | Sep 16 2013, 08:35 AM Post #46 |
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There is a world to explore there. I feel if they pull back on the environmental stuff in the sequel, It could be a really good movie. |
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| dialforthedevil | Sep 16 2013, 11:16 AM Post #47 |
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Why Avatar sucks: Putting your hair genitals in a horse... Ewww Jim ewww... This picture here sums up the plot of Avatar: Spoiler: click to toggle Edited by dialforthedevil, Sep 16 2013, 11:17 AM.
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| colddigger | Sep 16 2013, 11:26 AM Post #48 |
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Joke's over! Love, Parasky
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But Dial, they're bonding. |
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| lamna | Sep 16 2013, 11:41 AM Post #49 |
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Being a skilled rider, taming and training animals is lame. Sticking your junk in them is the future. |
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| Space Gorilla | Sep 16 2013, 11:50 AM Post #50 |
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@Dial - I could very well dismiss Pacific Rim and any Kaiju related movie just as easy if I was looking for reasons for it. Like the boring theme of giant robots fighting giant monsters. Its been overused. Just like some criticized Avatar for the environmental stuff and the Pocahontas reminder. If one wants to find reasons to trash a movie, its easy. Your reasons are not valid though. |
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| dialforthedevil | Sep 16 2013, 12:18 PM Post #51 |
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There's a difference. I could watch Giant Robots and Monsters duke it out all day and it would still be entertaining. Yet I can only watch Dances with the Wolves once before I want to skin the next furry animal I see and tear down an oak tree just for a single match stick. I miss the days when James Cameron made films like Terminator and Aliens, his films used to have great characters and awesome action without shoving some message down your throat. |
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| dino-ken | Sep 16 2013, 01:06 PM Post #52 |
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Actually Kaiju Films have used enviromnetal/ecological messages as well - but when they do it - it tends to enhance the film, not hurt it. Case in point - look at the original Japanese version of Gojira (Godzilla to those of use who speak English) from 1954. It's awesome, and a classic.
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| trex841 | Sep 16 2013, 01:33 PM Post #53 |
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THAT'S NOT THERE JUNK, DAMNIT! It's an extension of the nervous system! They link up during sex so they can feel both there own pleasure and the pleasure of there partner! If your going to make fun of the movie, get your facts straight! ... ... ... Wow...sorry about that, I don't know what came over me... ... ...Did I really just write that? |
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| dialforthedevil | Sep 16 2013, 01:39 PM Post #54 |
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| trex841 | Sep 16 2013, 01:49 PM Post #55 |
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| lamna | Sep 16 2013, 02:12 PM Post #56 |
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Back on Pacific Rim, the wall was a really bad idea. Fortifications only work if they are manned, even the greatest fortress can be breached if it is not defended. |
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| trex841 | Sep 16 2013, 02:19 PM Post #57 |
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Even if it was manned it probably wouldn't help. All of there weapons are tiny. |
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| lamna | Sep 16 2013, 04:53 PM Post #58 |
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I didn't literally mean stationing men on the walls with slings and buckets of boiling oil. Defences are there to allow you to attack more easily, you buy you time. The wall could have been useful in combination with the Jaeger program, but it looks like people were forced to choose on or the other. Walls feel safer, but in that situation it is almost always best to pick offence. I suppose if people thought the monsters were just dumb beasts they might have though they could fence them in, but I don't really see how anyone could make that mistake. |
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| T.Neo | Sep 16 2013, 05:37 PM Post #59 |
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Translunar injection: TLI
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In Avatar Earth is just a dystopia. Granted, PR Earth is a dystopia... but we can at least relate to the terror and sorrow of its inhabitants, unlike the denizens of Avatar Earth, which we are intended to believe are all bastards who deserve to live in a planet-slum, regardless of whether many of them are likely to have just been poor folks who couldn't live any other way. The rest of Pandora? There might be vaguely interesting cultural differences between Na'vi groups, but nothing more. They're probably adorable Mary Sue characters all over. The other moons of Polyphemus are probably either empty, or also filled with adorable Mary Sue characters. If there are any other alien peoples out there (possible previous invaders of Pandora, etc) they're probably also bastards. Indeed, that's one of the things that irks me about Avatar- everyone is either a bastard, or a Na'vi. The main character even stops being a bastard by becoming a Na'vi. There was precious little "humanity" to the characters. However, I will give Avatar a lot of credit for it's technical worldbuilding, both in the technological and biological sense. The Pandorapedia site is basically a Speculative Biology project by James Cameron. And I don't think that Pacific Rim could ever match that level of detail, simply due to it's very nature. Avatar is overall 'harder', scientifically, than Pacific Rim. And a lot can be levelled against the story of Pacific Rim, too- but that isn't due to a lack of characterisation or "humanity" on the part of the characters. It's because the plot is meant to be a vehicle for epic robots punching gigantic monsters, the film is only two hours long and there's only so much you can explain in that time, and still have robots punching monsters. We see many indications of the depth of the storytelling both in the film and from the writers themselves, but nothing of the sort from Avatar and one really struggles to see more three-dimensionality to the characters. Now, that might not be because Avatar is exceptionally worse than most film, but rather that it's closer in depth to a modern blockbuster film. As for the ecological message in Avatar vs that in Pacific Rim, and there is such a message in PR, the latter is far better, because for starters, it doesn't beat you over the head, and secondly, it isn't about telling you that you're a bastard. It's about everyone across the world cooperating to face a seemingly unbeatable problem. It's about uniting in the face of peril that is larger than the scope of any one nation. It isn't about how TEH EVULZ humans are for not having evolved in contact with a plant-deity, it's about overcoming that which threatens our world with destruction, that makes our petty differences irrelevant in comparison. It's about cancelling the apocalypse. It's a positive message, not a negative one. And it's the kind of message that's just perfectly written in to subconsciously affect the audience. |
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| Kamidio | Sep 16 2013, 06:01 PM Post #60 |
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Actually, I recall reading that Wayne Barlowe helped design the kaiju. |
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