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Empty new world
Topic Started: Jul 31 2008, 11:44 AM (3,205 Views)
lamna	Jul 31 2008, 11:44 AM Post #1
In war, victory. In peace, vigilance. In death, sacrifice. Posts: 13,503 Group: Global Mods Member #26 Joined: Jul 1, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: British	What would the world be like if the new world was never colonized by humans until Europeans started going there? Would the Megafauna there have clung on? And how would it cope with contact with more modern people? Perhaps Columbian mammoths would be used as elephants are here.



Knnoar	Jul 31 2008, 11:53 AM Post #2
Newborn Posts: 42 Group: Members Member #39 Joined: Jul 18, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: United States	If there where no humans in the new world till the Europeans made it there, then the Mammoths would most likely not be there. As the Mammoths came, the humans followed, also the landbridge couldnt be there because then humans would come either way. If the landbridge wasnt there then it means the climate mut have been hotter than it was, which would cause a whole lot of differences,like mammoths might die out sooner and such. Edited by Knnoar, Jul 31 2008, 11:54 AM.



lamna	Jul 31 2008, 12:09 PM Post #3
In war, victory. In peace, vigilance. In death, sacrifice. Posts: 13,503 Group: Global Mods Member #26 Joined: Jul 1, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: British	No, that is not what I mean at all. Geology and such are the same the only difference is that nobody goes to north America before the Europeans.



Knnoar	Jul 31 2008, 12:11 PM Post #4
Newborn Posts: 42 Group: Members Member #39 Joined: Jul 18, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: United States	I understand that but if we dont include the geology then they will make their way there anyways. They got there by the landbridge, and if you leave the landbridge they will egt to North America normally so, to make this work then the landbridge couldnt have hapenned.



lamna	Jul 31 2008, 12:25 PM Post #5
In war, victory. In peace, vigilance. In death, sacrifice. Posts: 13,503 Group: Global Mods Member #26 Joined: Jul 1, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: British	I am asking if they did not get to the new world. That is the point of it. The reason is not too important.



Knnoar	Jul 31 2008, 01:22 PM Post #6
Newborn Posts: 42 Group: Members Member #39 Joined: Jul 18, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: United States	Okay but just telling you since you where talking about the mammoths.



JohnFaa	Jul 31 2008, 01:24 PM Post #7
Adveho in mihi Lucifer Posts: 7,699 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: May 31, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: Portugayse Favorite Quote: Blame is the playing of children and is given to many like a gift that cannot be returned. Acceptance is the tool of the mature that is rarely loaned out.	Mammoths would most likely still exist. If they wouldn't then mastodons would



lamna	Jul 31 2008, 01:54 PM Post #8
In war, victory. In peace, vigilance. In death, sacrifice. Posts: 13,503 Group: Global Mods Member #26 Joined: Jul 1, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: British	Assumeing overkill is correct. I have never been quite sure about that. But I think it was what pushed them over the edge and I think the new world would have megafauna. But I wonder if it would have made it with europeans there.



Cynovolans	Jul 31 2008, 03:58 PM Post #9
Servant to Empress Min Posts: 1,170 Group: Members Member #24 Joined: Jun 30, 2008 Gender: Male Favorite Quote: "Where is the queen? Point the queen out to us!"-Myeonseong's murderers	Horses would still survive in the Americas, and probably camels. American cave Lions may survive if their prey still does. Mastodons may survive until modern times, the last population of Mammoths survived on Wrangel Island until humans came to the island in 1700 B.C. Corn would have never been created, and tobacco would have been used for smoking much later if the Europeans ever discovered how to use it. Many Christian followers would say that God created the New World to keep these large animals alive, and that there is no such thing as extinction.



Knnoar	Jul 31 2008, 04:00 PM Post #10
Newborn Posts: 42 Group: Members Member #39 Joined: Jul 18, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: United States	The megafauna will problaby have time to evolve more since there arent any humans there yet, but im not so sure. The mammoths might not go extinct until they naturally did, but the Columbian Mammoth wont exist for sure. What animals would evolve in north america since man wont be there until the europeans? Oh I just re-alised something, if the indians dont make it to america the colonies wouldnt start since the pilgrims would die. (They survived thanks to the help of the indians) Edited by Knnoar, Jul 31 2008, 04:08 PM.



Parasky	Jul 31 2008, 04:10 PM Post #11
The Great Wizzard Posts: 5,398 Group: Admins Member #2 Joined: May 27, 2008 Gender: Male Area of expertise: Xenobiology Nationality: American	There would be lots of camels (as camels actually evolved in America and went to Asia via the land bridge), and mammoths assuming that the nomadic humans that followed them died along the way to America. There would be no horses, as horses were not introduced into America until the 1500's by Spanish explorers, and they would have easily been killed by the predators that lived there. There would be mastodons and giant buffalo, as well as a few species of rather gigantic birds.



Saxophlutist	Jul 31 2008, 04:28 PM Post #12
Adult Posts: 727 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: May 31, 2008	Sounds reasonable. Good point about not having any natives to protect the colonists.



JohnFaa	Jul 31 2008, 04:55 PM Post #13
Adveho in mihi Lucifer Posts: 7,699 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: May 31, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: Portugayse Favorite Quote: Blame is the playing of children and is given to many like a gift that cannot be returned. Acceptance is the tool of the mature that is rarely loaned out.	Quote: There would be lots of camels (as camels actually evolved in America and went to Asia via the land bridge), and mammoths assuming that the nomadic humans that followed them died along the way to America. There would be no horses, as horses were not introduced into America until the 1500's by Spanish explorers, and they would have easily been killed by the predators that lived there. There would be mastodons and giant buffalo, as well as a few species of rather gigantic birds. There would be wild horses; mustangs wouldn't exist, but actual wild horses would, as they were very common before the indians arrived. And the only giant birds would be teratorns.



Parasky	Jul 31 2008, 05:41 PM Post #14
The Great Wizzard Posts: 5,398 Group: Admins Member #2 Joined: May 27, 2008 Gender: Male Area of expertise: Xenobiology Nationality: American	Teratorns! That's what they're called. I heard of them once, but I could never remember them. I have never heard of horses in America prior to European exploration...I'll have to look into it.



Cynovolans	Jul 31 2008, 05:59 PM Post #15
Servant to Empress Min Posts: 1,170 Group: Members Member #24 Joined: Jun 30, 2008 Gender: Male Favorite Quote: "Where is the queen? Point the queen out to us!"-Myeonseong's murderers	Saxophlutist Jul 31 2008, 04:28 PM Sounds reasonable. Good point about not having any natives to protect the colonists. By protecting you mean ongoing wars, and slaughters between the colonist and natives. It wouldn't be that hard to establish a colony in warmer areas, and after they have regular ships going between the Americas and Europe then they would easily be able to establish colonies. How they would react to the giant animals though I would have to guess. The only megafauna that would be the strangest and most unfamiliar to the colonist would be Megatherium and other megafauna that evolved in South America. Mastodons/Mammoths:The colonist have dealt with elephants and even though these are a little larger there is no huge difference. Sabertooths/Cave Lions:Again lions and leopards, they have dealt with large cats before and these were once in Europe like the mammoths and mastodons. Giant Bison:No huge difference with the European bison, and also would be like rhinos that settlers have dealt with in Africa. Camels/Horses:Nothing new here and would be the most familiar to the Europeans. Toxodons:Like the hippopotamus and rhino. Megatherium/Glyptodonts:Probably the most surprising creature to the Europeans since they have never existed in Europe, nor is there any creature on Earth that resembles them.



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