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List dystopian features of an Axis victorious world; Grosser the better
Topic Started: May 26 2012, 12:23 AM (1,782 Views)
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I'm working on a story set in an alternate present where the Axis powers won WWII. I was inspired by the TV series "Fringe" and, later, the recent novel by Stephen King, "11/22/63." Like "The Man in the High Castle"-a novel I did not read-by Philip K. Dick, the attempted assassination of FDR is successful in this timeline and this leads to a chain of events that leads to a loss for the allies.

Unlike in "High Castle," America isn't conquered. But things aren't pretty. Economic, technological and social progress is decades behind and social and economic mobility is practically nonexistent.

I have so far:

-Alaska is a sovereign nation, officially known as the Republic of Alaska, where Slavic refugees have found a semblance of sanctuary against Nazi extermination pogroms

-Hawaii is under imperial Japanese domination as is Australia and New Zealand and just about the entire Pacific and southeastern Asia

-Several northern and eastern counties in Maine are now part of Canada

-Royal siblings, Elizabeth and Margaret, managed to escape to Canada during the German invasion of Britain but their parents weren't so lucky; their mother was raped to death as their father watched and he was then later brutally tortured and executed

-Skinheads are a common sight in many cities in the U.S. and segregation is still a bitter reality throughout the South

-For several decades now, the southern border states are in continuous warfare with German-backed Mexico trying to reclaim land taken by the U.S. back in the Mexican-American war

-The atomic bomb was never invented due to short-sighted Nazi exterminations of Jewish and Slavic scientists but allies-turned-rivals, Germany and Japan, race to unlock the secrets of the atom in present day

-The Nazi conquest of the Middle East led to America finding alternative means of energy and turned its sights on renewable power; efficient solar panels and tidal and wind turbines power American cities and transportation

-The Hindenburg disaster never happened


Go nuts. I love Paul Verhoeven flicks because speculates the most outrageous and daring things. The amusing and innovative details in "Robocop" and "Total Recall" and "Starship Troopers" and "Hollow Man" makes his films so enjoyable and memorable. That's what I'm going for here.
Edited by Yorick, May 30 2012, 10:41 PM.
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Anyone could if they had the will and the access.
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May 26 2012, 04:44 AM
Japan lost the war when they started it, they simply did not have the industrial capacity or resources to win. They could have invaded Hawaii or Australia...just. But they were pretty much at their limit.
This. I still don't really understand why they declared war on us. "America has stopped supplying us with 90% of our oil! Quick let's start a second (third maybe?) front on our already existing wars to show them who's boss!" America was boss, by the way. Japan started the war with naval and air superiority over the entire world, and within months America had taken their place. After losing most of our Pacific fleet. Maybe they thought they had an advantage due to our economic crisis at the time?

I was thinking of doing an alternate history where the USSR joins the Axis instead of the Allies. I haven't figured out how or why they would exactly, but I think it could be interesting if I could.
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Japan was pretty desperate. They just lost almost all of their oil, if they couldn't force the USA to trade with them again, or capture somewhere with lots of oil then their war in China would be lost very quickly.

They were in too deep with China to just pull out, so they had to go to war with the USA.

And that's without considering the crazy people in the IJA and the government who believed they were invincible.
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How would the USSR side with the Axis? I suppose some sort of uneasy relationship could develop, but they both hated eachother's ideologies...
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Maybe the truce between the two sides held at the beginning of WW2 is upheld? Perhaps a fascist buffer state forms in Ukraine or Poland?
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The USSR and the Axis did work together. In 1939 it looked very likely that the War would be the Commonwealth, France, Poland and Finland fighting the Germany, Italy and the USSR.



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The USSR and Axis were ideologically opposed, but they were also both opposed to capitalism and democracy, at least the western sort with political parties and something resembling and actual choice.
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How about a Soviet-dominated, communist America?

The old TV show, "Sliders," about lost travelers in parallel worlds, featured one episode that was just like that.

-America loses the Korean War
-The Sino-Soviet empire then sweeps the globe; beginning with China then Europe and then South America
-America is left economically isolated from the rest of the world
-The communist empires assets and technology grew while America's shrank and then finally collapsed; basically the domino theory come to life
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But communism doesn't work? The Soviet Union was incredibly inefficient and could barely feed its own people. And how the hell would you get the whole of Europe to become Communist?
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Plus there was the fact that China and the Soviet Union didn't get along too well. The same goes for the relations between the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia, and the relations between China and Vietnam. The idea of communist nations having a monolithic alliance, and acting as one is simply a myth. Communist nations fought wars with each other. The USSR did control much of Eastern Europe, but that had less to do with the governments being communist than it had to do with the fact that the governments were put there by the Soviet Union in the first place.
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Communism can work. I hate that damn thing, heck I just brought a film based on the life of Admiral Kolchak who fought the Bolsheviks with everything he had. But Communism can work and does work.

The USSR had it's problems, but it's collapse was far from inevitable. If Gorbacov had managed things just a little differently the USSR would still be here. It would likely be operating under socialism with Russian Soviet characteristics, but it would still be around.

As for getting Europe becoming communist? We came very close twice. After the end of the First World War Europe was on the brink of revolution. We managed to avoid it by suffering comparatively little and giving the unions pretty much whatever they asked for, but the rest of Europe was ready to fall. Back then even Mussolini was a communist.

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The second time was during World War Two, assuming D-Day fails and the Italian Campaign drags on in the way it did, there no reason to think Stalin would stop at the Rhine. He wanted to go all the way to Spain and take down Franco. In France Communism was pretty much the only political group not tainted by the occupation, the had a lot of power in the early days.
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