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The Politics of Academia
Topic Started: Apr 28 2012, 05:21 PM (1,780 Views)
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Yes, well...

Had the "other side" of the argument not been crammed down the class's throat with two documentaries on "Anti-Semitism" (Arabs are Semites?) and a documentary on the Holocaust with a completely biased and one sided explanation of the conflict in the book...

The Israel-Palestine conflict is as two-sided as South African Apartheid, or the American colonization of the West at the expense of the Indians. My presentation brought balance to an already biased subject.
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After being on this site for nearly two years I have learnt, arguing history with lamna is like masturbating with sandpaper. You just don't do it.
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And why is that, dftd?
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Hahahaha nah. But the point of this topic wasn't to argue. The point was to see if anyone else had had similar experiences with dogmatic teachers, and what they have done about it or how they have handled it. Cuz the experiences SERIOUSLY pissed me off.
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And you have every right to be pissed off! They shouldn't be doing that! They are there to teach the facts, not feed you propaganda! This is a level under brainwashing!
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His point is that I'm pretty good at history, and I've shown him up and others once or twice.

In this case though, all I really know about are the wars. The good ones, where Israel managed to defend itself against, what on paper seemed like impossible conditions. The nasty wars between terrorists and people using less-than-precision strikes in built up areas, and the rest of Israeli history I don't know a huge amount about. It is interesting to study late 20th century/21st colonialism, the only other place it happens in Indonesia.

I don't really want to argue, my position is Israel already exists, is ok, and it's better than the alternative. It's not something I really want to waste time defending, and I don't feel particularly qualified.

Nothing in history is clean cut, and everyone is biased. That's the lesson you take away from this. There are people who cheer Srebrenica and people who think the Berlin Airlift was despicable.
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Lol.

The alternatives that have been presented Iamna, are all a thousand times better than the racist Apartheid state that exists today.

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His point is that I'm pretty good at history, and I've shown him up and others once or twice.

If I remember correctly though your not so hot on Classical History?
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I'm good between the reign of George I and the Korean War, everything else is spotty.

I don't think the nutters forged in the Gaza Strip getting free rein would be a good idea. Rhodesia was a very, very long way from perfect but that does not make Mugabe's Zimbabwe any better.
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Iamna, I don't mean to be rude, but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I didn't say Mugabe's Zimbabwe was any better.

The majority of Palestinians don't support Hamas, however, and if the United States and the West stopped funding Israel's racism in billions upon billions of dollars (that we have to borrow to pay them, mind you) and Israel were to repeal the racist Law of Return, grant equal rights to Palestinians and allow the return of the refugees and pay reparations to the community (similarly to how we pay the Native Americans) I highly doubt that Hamas, or any other radical Islamist party would gain control of Israel.
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My view is they're not the West, they're the Middle East and fighting is standard procedure for them. Honestly I hate the racism in that area, a Palestinian has just as many working hands as a Jew and both are fully capable at communicating with one another. I think that things should have gone differently, but none involved are exactly known for their tolerance of those who's ancestors have had quite a bit of violence between them.
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Basically it boils down to the fact that most of them are fucktards with nothing better to do other than fight over NOTHING.

It's just a strip of land in a barren fucking desert and you're telling me it's worth something?

BULLSHIT, MIDDLE EAST COUNTRIES. We all know you've been butthurt ever since Genghis Khan came and fucked your shit up.

GET OVER IT.
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Naah, I think there's some decent use for the land (it has a coast right? That's pretty good), a lot of it has to do with heritage I believe... I don't actually know much about it though so my opinions are going to be rather basic and/or biased.
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