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BIRD feathers on your birds!
Topic Started: Apr 22 2012, 07:24 AM (4,830 Views)
Fleeshster
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Ok, I'm sure you've noticed that Dinosaurs in movies and drawings look more like they have fur then feathers. Now, that's all fine and dandy for Tyrannosaurs, Alverzsaurs, and Ornithomimids, which only had protofeathers, but when your talking about Maniraptors, it makes no sense to only put large masses of feathers on "birds". If we want to get technical, all Maniraptorans are birds. As such, they should have an equal amount of feather coverage.
(Note: this is basically my rant about unrealistic Dino interpretation)

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Notice; If you took out the teeth and shrunk the tail of the top two birds, they don't look like birds. At all. However, if you do it with out two volunteers to science, you would almost certainly mistake them as birds.
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T.Neo
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The thing that gets me about the fur-feathers conundrum; ratites. Ratites have feathers (obviously), but they're pretty 'devolved'- they're quite hair-like;

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Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the birdification of maniraptors. But when we're discussing species that have been pretty non-volant for tens of millions of years, shouldn't we look to other maniraptors that have been flightless for a long period of time as well? Wouldn't the feathers covering, say, velociraptor or troodon be sort of 'fluffy' like those of a cassowary? Do we have fossil evidence to the contrary?
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Aside from the above argument, you have to remember that there isn't a real, single "bird-type" feather covering. Bird feathers come in all shapes, sizes, and textures; some are smooth, like those of a crow, whereas others are much fluffier, like an owl.
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Yes, but those are still pretty thick. Its thick enough to cover tiny little wings, no?
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I think he's saying he wants fluffball birds.
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καὶ τὸ φῶς ἐν τῇ σκοτίᾳ φαίνει

I can't understand what the problem is.
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Are nipples or genitals necessary, lamna?
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Also, please stop calling non-avian dinosaurs birds; it's like calling archosaurs dinosaurs. Birds are a very specific and derived group of theropod dinosaurs, not vice-versa. In simpler terms, birds are dinosaurs, but dinosaurs aren't birds.

(Also, please, PLEASE don't use LOL-Speak while discussing scientific topics.)
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There's a bit of debate as to whether groups such as oviraptosaurs and dromaeosaurs fall within Aves.

Nontheless the idea that there's some sort of brilliant magical boundary between stuff that falls inside Aves and stuff that doesn't makes no sense. If these creatures were around today they'd totally be considered birds, it's only our post-non-avian-dinosaur viewpoint that distorts our view.
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lamna
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καὶ τὸ φῶς ἐν τῇ σκοτίᾳ φαίνει

Seriously, what's supposed to be wrong with the feathers?
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Sometimes when people reconstruct feathered dinosaurs, they give them a kind of fur-like integument rather than proper feathers.
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I think it is that the body cover is not like that of a flying bird.
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The velociraptor is correct.
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No it isn't. The snout is unfeathered, the fingers scaly, the wing feathers are growing in the wrong finger, and it has yellow in it's crest.
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Maybe it felt like being stylish. Velociraptors are known for their FABULOUS nature.
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JohnFaa
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No it isn't. The snout is unfeathered, the fingers scaly, the wing feathers are growing in the wrong finger, and it has yellow in it's crest.
But isn't the snout supposed to be unfeathered?

Anyway you are absolutely correct with your other two points regardless
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