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I Hate Star Wars!; Sue the Saga!
Topic Started: Mar 27 2012, 06:38 AM (6,639 Views)
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Totally agree with the languages; I feel tolkien did for conlanging what dixon did for spec. That is to say, they popularized their respective genres, but were themselves quite bad at it. Though, such is the nature of being an artist in a developing field. The only problem is when you get a bunch of religious followers who think tolkien and dixon should be respected as the cream of the crop rather than the seed that spawned it.

(you see, mio, in this instance a short post is acceptable, as I'm bolstering an already well-thought-out post, thus much of my work has been done for me and I don't need to write anything more than my agreement and, if I wish, a bit of personal insight. If I on the other hand disagreed with macgobhain, I would need to write a lot more)
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I've hated Star Wars ever since Empire Strikes Back. I loved the first movie.

Attack of the Clones is in my top 5 WORST movies I have ever seen. George Lucas is an imbecile and a VERY shoddy producer/director. All the Indiana Jones movies are riddled with sloppy mistakes and anachronisms. Spielberg is a far better movie craftsman.

I liked the LOTR movies when they first came out, but certain things annoyed the crap out of me - Orlando Bloom with no prosthetics apart from silly pointed ears? Stupid louvre-lips Liv Tyler - she's so annoying.

John Rhys-Davies face covered in silly prosthetics, when his normal face to me would have been just fine as Gimli.

And the CGI battle scenes? Looked like edits from some shoddy BBC war documentary.

After watching some Sword and Sandal Chinese epics with literally 100,000 extras in a battle scene, makes LOTR look like a cheap CGI demo that some hacking group put together.

And the sheer gall of Jackson, to think he's a better story teller than Tolkein.

I can't believe they're splitting "The Hobbit" up into two movies!!!
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Mar 28 2012, 02:42 AM
Yeah... you should really do some research about fluoride before you go knocking those of us who don't want it in our drinking water, Parasky. I can tell you haven't researched the subject in depth, if at all, cuz if you had, you'd be on the other side of the argument. Your comment is the equivalent of this silly kid saying he hates Star Wars without having ever seen it.


It's called SARCASM. Notice that he misspells Liberals, and generally makes himself seem more like a conspiracy theorist than he actually is.

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Mar 28 2012, 05:39 AM
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Mar 28 2012, 07:49 PM
All the Indiana Jones movies are riddled with sloppy mistakes and anachronisms. Spielberg is a far better movie craftsman.

I can't believe they're splitting "The Hobbit" up into two movies!!!


I agree with the part about the Speilberg part. I mean, he made two of the movies people think of when they think great movie AT THE SAME TIME*. I disagree about the Indiana Jones movies. If one looks pastthe mistakes they are some really good movies. Except for The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. That one can only be considered good if you think of it as what Indy is dreaming as he dies of radiation and lead poisoning in that fridge.

About why they would split the Hobbit in half.

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I'm glad they're splitting "The Hobbit" into two parts... That way, there's more to watch...
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It's just silly, the Hobbit is a book I can read in a single sitting, overnight, or in a day... There's not enough to milk out 2 movies from it...

As for fluoride? I don't know enough, but - I once had a Quebec dentist say how good my teeth were compared to his countrymen, where the water isn't flourinated. I've also know someone who grew up in rural South Australia, who lost all her teeth just about before she was 40, and she blamed it on unflourinated water.

Me? I reckon we all have shit teeth because we eat too much sugar and cereals and not enough dead animal flesh...
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Must be why my teeth are so healthy, despite only brushing once a day and not using mouthwash or flossing.

SO MUCH BLOOD.
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Lol yeah that's the most common justification for it. But people have decent teeth all over the world WITHOUT fluoride in their water. Almost everywhere I've lived in the past 8 years has not had fluoridated water, and on my first dentist's visit in 10 years when I was 17 in Job Corps the dentist couldn't stop saying "beautiful" my teeth were... it was actually kind of weird :(

But the point is, you DO NOT have to have fluoride in your water to have good teeth. That's just a bunch of bullshit.

And I honestly can't imagine how 'The Hobbit' is going to be two movies??? What?
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As for fluoride? I don't know enough, but - I once had a Quebec dentist say how good my teeth were compared to his countrymen, where the water isn't flourinated. I've also know someone who grew up in rural South Australia, who lost all her teeth just about before she was 40, and she blamed it on unflourinated water.
Actually that's pretty much it. Australia was used as a test case when investigating how useful fluoridation was. Some areas are fluorinated and other aren't, but everyone has access to the same dental care and products. They found that those children in non-fluorinated areas had about 30% more cavities than those in fluorinated areas.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20873281

Now I'm going to stop here, water fluoridation is a topic about which there should be legitimate debate. I don't want to debate it, and I'm certainly not qualified to do so. I's not like you're opposed to vaccination or anything.

Let's both just accept that the other person is an idiot, for some reason they hate people being healthy, and move on.

I'll admit that the battle scenes in the Lord of the Rings are a lot less impressive when you've seen 16,000 soviet soldiers reenacting Waterloo, but they are still enjoyable. Even more so now I've very familiar with Middle Earth's geography and I know where everyone is at all times.
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I honstly don't see what's the appeal of the damn movies. A bunch of cliché protagonists wave around dildoes of light while the villains can't decide if they're morally objective or absolute.
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Okay, now JohnFaa's trolling. (Also, the protagonists are only cliche because EVERYONE copied Star Wars' themes after the first three movies.)
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Mio is the kind of person that John HATES, but there's been no friction between them at all... That is kinda weird...
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Actually, no, the basic concept already existed in literature. Hell, Star Wars copied John Carter down to the personalities of the characters.

And, again, even if you ignored the protagonist clichés, there's the fact that the whole factions make no sense. They bullshit philosophies with no consistency as means to make the bad guys the same bad guys and the good guys the same good guys, even though in the real world both the Sith and the Jedi would have villains and heroes (hell, the Expanded Universe even ventures into that).
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Mar 28 2012, 11:50 PM
And I honestly can't imagine how 'The Hobbit' is going to be two movies??? What?
There is going to be more non-canonical fan fiction, as far I know, the second part will be about Gandalf, white council and war with sauron in mirkwood >.<
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