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I Hate Star Wars!; Sue the Saga!
Topic Started: Mar 27 2012, 06:38 AM (6,630 Views)
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Apr 2 2012, 01:13 PM
I agree with Russ. I don't think we are presented with any character in the films who is gay. Ziro is flamboyant, but that doesn't necessarily mean they/he/it is gay. Apparently it's established later on that Ziro is attracted to females...

But, by extension, what is so darn special about being gay? I mean, there's nothing stopping a person from being gay and evil; that doesn't mean that all gay people are evil. Plenty of heterosexual people have appeared in fiction and been portrayed as evil or 'bad', noone complains about any sort of anti-heterosexual agenda based on this fact.

Star Wars doesn't need to shove gay people in your face. It's at least partially aimed at children (which, I suppose, also depends on the part of the franchise), it doesn't pay major attention to sexual relationships, either gay or straight ones.


I agree as well. Honestly, I have no idea where JohnFaa got the idea that there was any homophobic subtext in Star Wars. The very fact that he has so far refused to provide so much as a single example suggests he may be just talking out of his arse.

I have yet to see any obviously gay or bi character in Star Wars. And even if there were gays portrayed as bad guys, then so what? Like you said, having a gay villain is no more homophobic than having a straight villain is heterophobic.
This reminds me a bit of how some people actually accused the movie District 9 of being racist, just cause there were Nigerian bad guys in it. But just because some of the bad guys happened to be Nigerians does not mean there was any insult meant towards all Nigerians. And besides, the most major of all the bad guys in the film were Boers, just like the main character was. No single group was discriminated against.

Getting back to Star Wars, you're right that it does not pay much attention to sexual relationships, regardless of the orientations of the people involved. Indeed, in the movies the only real intimate relationships to be focused on are the relationship between Anakin and Padme, and the relationship between Han and Leia. And it doesn't even show you sex. What the characters do in their private lives is left to the imagination as it is not really something that needs to be shown.
I'd imagine that there are gay characters in the Star Wars universe, but as the setting does not really focus on people's private lives, its not really something that would be noticeable.
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Afrikaners, most Boers have been civilized either by us or the rainbow.
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Are nipples or genitals necessary, lamna?
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lamna, quick word of advice. Don't come to South Africa. You could piss someone off and land yourself in a bodycast. :P
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Aren't Boers and Afrikaners the same thing..?
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Nope, all Boers are Afrikaners but not all Afrikaners are Boers. Boers are descended from Dutch farmers who were sick of being civilized and ran away to the north where they could play republics. Afrikaner is the generalized term for Dutch derived people down there.
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We must remember that George Lucas also created Duck Tits.

Edited by bloom_boi, Apr 5 2012, 06:17 PM.
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Apr 3 2012, 02:05 AM
Nope, all Boers are Afrikaners but not all Afrikaners are Boers. Boers are descended from Dutch farmers who were sick of being civilized and ran away to the north where they could play republics. Afrikaner is the generalized term for Dutch derived people down there.
Fair enough.
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Apr 2 2012, 03:35 PM
Strange, it worked for me.
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Apr 2 2012, 10:08 AM
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Mar 30 2012, 08:03 AM
Like what? There was that, awful, awful Hutt from The Clone Wars but what else is there?
George Lucas "blesses" us with MANY homophobic commentaries. It is more appearent in the Expanded Universe, that is true, but there is hateful subtext in the movies as well. For instance, the only LGBT character is a depraved ugly slug.
Examples? I haven't seen ANY gay (or even "implied gay") characters at all.
Word of God (Tv Tropes term, you'll learn) states Jabba the Hutt is the only bi character in the whole movie franchise. We all know how he is...

Also, there's the whole homophobic incident in the SW video games...
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Let's make things straight (haha): I don't mind LGBT villains. I love 'em, in fact. It's just that Lucas' commentaries clearly indicate that he was going for an heteronormative crusade with the latest triology, which becames even more ridiculous in how insanely zealous he is of the Expanded Universe.
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You do realize that slugs, being hermaphrodites, are sort of OBLIGATED TO BE BI, right?

Jabba being bi is part of his biology.
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Apr 9 2012, 01:09 AM
Word of God (Tv Tropes term, you'll learn) states Jabba the Hutt is the only bi character in the whole movie franchise. We all know how he is...
As as already been pointed out to you, Hutts are hermaphrodites. Thus they may seem bi to the standards of gendered races like us humans. And even if he were bi, having ONE nasty bi character in a story does NOT make said story in any way homophobic. Besides, you say "I don't mind LGBT villains. I love 'em, in fact", so what's the problem?

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Also, there's the whole homophobic incident in the SW video games...


You'll need to be more specific. You didn't even say which game(s), let alone which incident(s).

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It's just that Lucas' commentaries clearly indicate that he was going for an heteronormative crusade with the latest triology, which becames even more ridiculous in how insanely zealous he is of the Expanded Universe.


Again, be more specific.
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I think his issue was that Jabba was the ONLY bi character.
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I think his issue was that Jabba was the ONLY bi character.
That still wouldn't be a good argument, regardless of whether or not Jabba were bi.
A lack of obviously LGBT characters does not in any way equal homophobia. Indeed, by that "logic", practically every work of fiction ever made would be homophobic, as LGBT characters are not all that common. And why should they be? LGBT people aren't extremely common in real life either.
If a work of fiction decides to featured LGBT characters, then good for them. But if if they aren't featured, I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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I think John's overreacting a bit... Jabba isn't bisexual at all; he can switch genders. As for the lack of LGBT characters, the issue hasn't come up at all in the films (or the expanded universe, to my knowledge). It's kind of like saying that Farscape is racist because none of the main characters are black.
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