Alligators are better pack hunters than wolves

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Alligators are better pack hunters than wolves
Topic Started: Dec 23 2011, 06:50 PM (500 Views)
JohnFaa	Dec 23 2011, 06:50 PM Post #1
Adveho in mihi Lucifer Posts: 7,699 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: May 31, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: Portugayse Favorite Quote: Blame is the playing of children and is given to many like a gift that cannot be returned. Acceptance is the tool of the mature that is rarely loaned out.	http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.700-wolf-packs-dont-need-to-cooperate-to-make-a-kill.html http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/herpetology/herpbiology/bartram.htm



Nanotyranus	Dec 31 2011, 05:18 AM Post #2
He Who Fails Posts: 1,514 Group: Members Member #506 Joined: Feb 24, 2011 Gender: Male Nationality: English Favorite Quote: IT'S DJ JAZZY WORM JEFF!!! -JesseCox	Spectacled caiman 1, wolves 0! I love Mr. Caiman. My favorite animal. I'll go spread this to another forum.



jasonguppy	Dec 31 2011, 05:22 PM Post #3
Überdino Posts: 2,239 Group: Members Member #405 Joined: Oct 5, 2010 Gender: Male Area of expertise: Future Evolution Nationality: U.S. (I wish I was somewhere more interesting, say Italy?) Favorite Quote: "Every one keeps telling me how fun Angry Birds is, but I have been insulting my parakeet all week long and it seems to only hurt his feelings." -Stephen Colbert	Nanotyranus Dec 31 2011, 05:18 AM Spectacled caiman 1, wolves 0! I love Mr. Caiman. My favorite animal. I'll go spread this to another forum. MINE TOO!!!!!!!!!



colddigger	Dec 31 2011, 05:28 PM Post #4
Joke's over! Love, Parasky Posts: 6,127 Group: Members Member #143 Joined: Feb 28, 2009 Gender: Male Nationality: Canadian. Just like Phasey! Favorite Quote: "If it weren't for the gutter my mind would be homeless!" - BaliTiger23	I dunno, it seems to me that you could program simulated gators to act the same way with two rules as well... I think ants trump both of them.



lamna	Dec 31 2011, 06:09 PM Post #5
In war, victory. In peace, vigilance. In death, sacrifice. Posts: 13,506 Group: Global Mods Member #26 Joined: Jul 1, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: British	I know right, crocodilians are just so much more spiritual than other animals. They have such bad press when they are totally harmless animals, their special creatures that need to be helped. Sometimes, I wish I was a alligator.



JohnFaa	Dec 31 2011, 06:24 PM Post #6
Adveho in mihi Lucifer Posts: 7,699 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: May 31, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: Portugayse Favorite Quote: Blame is the playing of children and is given to many like a gift that cannot be returned. Acceptance is the tool of the mature that is rarely loaned out.	I do gladly admit that they are every bit as agressive as wolves, if not more. In fact, of all reptiles they are the ones least decent as pets. Squamates and turtles are better options. Still, they're vastly superior to canines.



lamna	Dec 31 2011, 06:55 PM Post #7
In war, victory. In peace, vigilance. In death, sacrifice. Posts: 13,506 Group: Global Mods Member #26 Joined: Jul 1, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: British	I love the fact that you've become what you hate. And the John was a Gatorboo.



Zorcuspine	Dec 31 2011, 07:39 PM Post #8
You never cease to suprise me blue hedgehog Posts: 1,041 Group: Members Member #327 Joined: Jun 12, 2010 Gender: Male Nationality: US Favorite Quote: "You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty." Mahatma Gandhi	Even if this is true you can at least admit dogs are more intelligent right?



JohnFaa	Dec 31 2011, 08:06 PM Post #9
Adveho in mihi Lucifer Posts: 7,699 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: May 31, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: Portugayse Favorite Quote: Blame is the playing of children and is given to many like a gift that cannot be returned. Acceptance is the tool of the mature that is rarely loaned out.	lamna Dec 31 2011, 06:55 PM I love the fact that you've become what you hate. And the John was a Gatorboo. Not really, if anything I'm "everything-but-wolves-boo". This is why haters gonna hate in vain. In the end, I'm always the morally superior one. ^ Maybe. I haven't seen studies comparing wolf and crocodile intelligence directly. Edited by JohnFaa, Dec 31 2011, 08:08 PM.



Russwallac	Dec 31 2011, 10:24 PM Post #10
"Ta-da!" Posts: 2,913 Group: Members Member #574 Joined: May 27, 2011 Gender: Male Area of expertise: Xenobiology Nationality: Animalia, Chordata, Mammalia, Primates, Hominidae, Homo sapiens sapiens Favorite Quote: One cannot define what life IS, but we sure as heck can define what it ISN'T.	I take issue with this because the first article was based on a computer simulation; I play video games where wolves do the same thing. As for the second article, it has too many grammatical and spelling errors for me to take it seriously.



Fakey	Dec 31 2011, 10:36 PM Post #11
An unreasonable man. Post Rank: What The? Posts: 5,429 Group: Members Member #149 Joined: Mar 12, 2009 Gender: Male Area of expertise: Future Evolution Nationality: Murrca. Favorite Quote: “I have no fear of losing my life; if I have to save a koala or a crocodile or a kangaroo or a snake, mate, I will save it.” -Steve Irwin	Russwallac Dec 31 2011, 10:24 PM I take issue with this because the first article was based on a computer simulation; I play video games where wolves do the same thing. As for the second article, it has too many grammatical and spelling errors for me to take it seriously. Then again, that's a video game made by people who could give less a damn about biology than a two year old.



Nanotyranus	Jan 1 2012, 07:23 AM Post #12
He Who Fails Posts: 1,514 Group: Members Member #506 Joined: Feb 24, 2011 Gender: Male Nationality: English Favorite Quote: IT'S DJ JAZZY WORM JEFF!!! -JesseCox	Trying to get people to see the point on another forum. From what I've seen, they've only read the title and not the articles. They only seem to be thinking 'Only killing BIG THINGYS is a pack hunt, durr'.



Mike	Jan 1 2012, 07:53 AM Post #13
Adult Posts: 660 Group: Members Member #325 Joined: Jun 10, 2010 Favorite Quote: Beatboxing Is one of those things that everyone sucks at, but they think they're really good at. Everyone except me that is, I'm a frikken amazing beatboxer.	Russwallac Dec 31 2011, 10:24 PM I take issue with this because the first article was based on a computer simulation the whole point of it is that the simulation demonstrated that the "complex" pack hunting behaviors of wolves can be brought about through very simple rules, demonstrating that the wolves don't actually need to think about what they're doing, they're probably just trying to stay away from the other wolves while still inching towards the prey. Quote: This apparent ambush may require neither planning nor communication between wolves. According to a new computer model, a virtual wolf pack can replicate a real pack's behaviour by obeying just two rules, suggesting that the wolf's hunting strategy does not need much brain power. Whether or not this makes them worse pack hunters is debatable, but it does seem like good verbal ammo for the next time a wolfaboo goes on a rant about how wolves are smarter and more compassionate than humans. In fact, I bet this cooperative behavior actually stems from selfishness and fear, the wolves separating from each other in hopes of taking the kill for themselves or to avoid seeming in direct competition with the others. So the whole point is it is a simulation, to say you don't trust it because it's a simulation doesn't make sense. As for the other article, the only spelling "errors" are from articles written in the 1700s, prior to standardization of spelling.



lamna	Jan 1 2012, 08:02 AM Post #14
In war, victory. In peace, vigilance. In death, sacrifice. Posts: 13,506 Group: Global Mods Member #26 Joined: Jul 1, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: British	I still don't get it. I've never met these wolf nutters. I can't see how they could be so bad that you've effectively written off an entire species as being worthless.



JohnFaa	Jan 1 2012, 08:36 AM Post #15
Adveho in mihi Lucifer Posts: 7,699 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: May 31, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: Portugayse Favorite Quote: Blame is the playing of children and is given to many like a gift that cannot be returned. Acceptance is the tool of the mature that is rarely loaned out.	Venture deeper into the bowels of dA and YouTube.



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