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Alligators are better pack hunters than wolves
Topic Started: Dec 23 2011, 06:50 PM (808 Views)
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http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.700-wolf-packs-dont-need-to-cooperate-to-make-a-kill.html

http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/herpetology/herpbiology/bartram.htm
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Spectacled caiman 1, wolves 0!
I love Mr. Caiman. My favorite animal. I'll go spread this to another forum.
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I dunno, it seems to me that you could program simulated gators to act the same way with two rules as well...

I think ants trump both of them.
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I know right, crocodilians are just so much more spiritual than other animals. They have such bad press when they are totally harmless animals, their special creatures that need to be helped. Sometimes, I wish I was a alligator.
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I do gladly admit that they are every bit as agressive as wolves, if not more. In fact, of all reptiles they are the ones least decent as pets. Squamates and turtles are better options.

Still, they're vastly superior to canines.
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A dead hand against a living will.

I love the fact that you've become what you hate.

And the John was a Gatorboo.
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Even if this is true you can at least admit dogs are more intelligent right?
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Dec 31 2011, 06:55 PM
I love the fact that you've become what you hate.

And the John was a Gatorboo.
Not really, if anything I'm "everything-but-wolves-boo".

This is why haters gonna hate in vain. In the end, I'm always the morally superior one.

^ Maybe. I haven't seen studies comparing wolf and crocodile intelligence directly.
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I take issue with this because the first article was based on a computer simulation; I play video games where wolves do the same thing. As for the second article, it has too many grammatical and spelling errors for me to take it seriously.
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Dec 31 2011, 10:24 PM
I take issue with this because the first article was based on a computer simulation; I play video games where wolves do the same thing. As for the second article, it has too many grammatical and spelling errors for me to take it seriously.
Then again, that's a video game made by people who could give less a damn about biology than a two year old.
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Trying to get people to see the point on another forum. From what I've seen, they've only read the title and not the articles. They only seem to be thinking 'Only killing BIG THINGYS is a pack hunt, durr'.
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Dec 31 2011, 10:24 PM
I take issue with this because the first article was based on a computer simulation
the whole point of it is that the simulation demonstrated that the "complex" pack hunting behaviors of wolves can be brought about through very simple rules, demonstrating that the wolves don't actually need to think about what they're doing, they're probably just trying to stay away from the other wolves while still inching towards the prey.

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This apparent ambush may require neither planning nor communication between wolves. According to a new computer model, a virtual wolf pack can replicate a real pack's behaviour by obeying just two rules, suggesting that the wolf's hunting strategy does not need much brain power.


Whether or not this makes them worse pack hunters is debatable, but it does seem like good verbal ammo for the next time a wolfaboo goes on a rant about how wolves are smarter and more compassionate than humans. In fact, I bet this cooperative behavior actually stems from selfishness and fear, the wolves separating from each other in hopes of taking the kill for themselves or to avoid seeming in direct competition with the others.

So the whole point is it is a simulation, to say you don't trust it because it's a simulation doesn't make sense. As for the other article, the only spelling "errors" are from articles written in the 1700s, prior to standardization of spelling.
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A dead hand against a living will.

I still don't get it. I've never met these wolf nutters. I can't see how they could be so bad that you've effectively written off an entire species as being worthless.
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