How smart were troodonts?

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How smart were troodonts?
Topic Started: Dec 19 2011, 08:02 PM (715 Views)
Zorcuspine	Dec 19 2011, 08:02 PM Post #1
You never cease to suprise me blue hedgehog Posts: 1,041 Group: Members Member #327 Joined: Jun 12, 2010 Gender: Male Nationality: US Favorite Quote: "You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty." Mahatma Gandhi	We all know about the dinosauroids. But how intelligent were the REAL troodonts?



urufumarukai	Dec 20 2011, 12:26 AM Post #2
A F*cking Unicorn with an Afro and a Moustache Posts: 2,018 Group: Members Member #342 Joined: Jul 11, 2010 Gender: Male	I think it's impossible to truly know, we can guess but that's about it



JohnFaa	Dec 23 2011, 06:49 PM Post #3
Adveho in mihi Lucifer Posts: 7,699 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: May 31, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: Portugayse Favorite Quote: Blame is the playing of children and is given to many like a gift that cannot be returned. Acceptance is the tool of the mature that is rarely loaned out.	Most likely as smart as ratites. Some people have suggested neoaves level intelligence, but I remain skeptical given how poorly received those studies tend to be.



Zorcuspine	Dec 23 2011, 06:57 PM Post #4
You never cease to suprise me blue hedgehog Posts: 1,041 Group: Members Member #327 Joined: Jun 12, 2010 Gender: Male Nationality: US Favorite Quote: "You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty." Mahatma Gandhi	I hear some people say troodonts were as smart as possums. This is weird because some people say oppusums are as smart as pigs which are even smarter than modern dogs! So I am mighty confused right now...



FallingWhale	Dec 23 2011, 07:12 PM Post #5
Adult Posts: 791 Group: Members Member #457 Joined: Dec 24, 2010 Gender: Male Nationality: USA Favorite Quote: I have second thoughts. Maybe God is malicious.- Albert Einstein	BananaBoyL337 Dec 23 2011, 06:57 PM I hear some people say troodonts were as smart as possums. This is weird because some people say oppusums are as smart as pigs which are even smarter than modern dogs! So I am mighty confused right now... Smart as a opossum is entity likely, but opossums are stupid by mammal standards.



JohnFaa	Dec 23 2011, 07:50 PM Post #6
Adveho in mihi Lucifer Posts: 7,699 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: May 31, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: Portugayse Favorite Quote: Blame is the playing of children and is given to many like a gift that cannot be returned. Acceptance is the tool of the mature that is rarely loaned out.	Well, american opossums yes, but aussie possums are far smarter. Helps that they are not [closely] related.



El Squibbonator	Dec 24 2011, 10:41 AM Post #7
The Third Child Posts: 1,807 Group: Members Member #169 Joined: May 5, 2009 Gender: Male Area of expertise: Future Evolution Nationality: USA Favorite Quote: Maybe if we started looking at whats the same instead of always looking at whats different. . .well, who knows-- Meowth	How do we know they were as smart as, say, ostriches, as opposed to crows or parrots?



JohnFaa	Dec 24 2011, 03:27 PM Post #8
Adveho in mihi Lucifer Posts: 7,699 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: May 31, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: Portugayse Favorite Quote: Blame is the playing of children and is given to many like a gift that cannot be returned. Acceptance is the tool of the mature that is rarely loaned out.	Brain structure. The traditional method, by size, is useless as, according to those tests, crows are as smart as shorebirds; the brain structure methods has supported both ostrich level intelligence and more derived neoave level intelligence, but nowhere near the intellect of crows and parrots.



Crimson Rider	Dec 24 2011, 05:50 PM Post #9
I also ride DUCKS Posts: 36 Group: Members Member #675 Joined: Dec 24, 2011 Gender: Male Area of expertise: Xenobiology Nationality: American Favorite Quote: I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator and name it after the IRS. - Robert Bakker	I just wanted to point out that all maniraptorans, not just troodontids, were probably equally intelligent. I don't remember the exact study that started it all (I believe it was in the 70s though), but I know it only examined troodontids, and nobody else. So although they're always reputed to be the smartest dinos, it's unlikely, IMO, that closely related groups like oviraptorosaurs, therizinosaurs, and other deinonychosaurs would not be as intelligent as troodonts. But back to intelligence of troodontids only...I agree that ratites are probably comparable to troodontids, in terms of "smarts". Though it's entirely possible that a species or two may have become more intelligent. ...oh, and they wouldn't have been able to open doors even if there were doors back then, because they couldn't pronate their hands that way. Just sayin'.



lamna	Dec 24 2011, 05:54 PM Post #10
In war, victory. In peace, vigilance. In death, sacrifice. Posts: 13,503 Group: Global Mods Member #26 Joined: Jul 1, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: British	They could not push their hands down? Seems rather limiting.



T.Neo	Dec 24 2011, 06:19 PM Post #11
Translunar injection: TLI Posts: 5,185 Group: Global Mods Member #179 Joined: Jun 7, 2009	What kind of door are we talking about here? Cats can't turn knobs either...



colddigger	Dec 24 2011, 06:43 PM Post #12
Joke's over! Love, Parasky Posts: 6,127 Group: Members Member #143 Joined: Feb 28, 2009 Gender: Male Nationality: Canadian. Just like Phasey! Favorite Quote: "If it weren't for the gutter my mind would be homeless!" - BaliTiger23	I had a cat that could open doors... though it was best at opening the ones with handles... as opposed to knobs if anyone was curious. Edited by colddigger, Dec 24 2011, 06:44 PM.



Crimson Rider	Dec 24 2011, 06:55 PM Post #13
I also ride DUCKS Posts: 36 Group: Members Member #675 Joined: Dec 24, 2011 Gender: Male Area of expertise: Xenobiology Nationality: American Favorite Quote: I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator and name it after the IRS. - Robert Bakker	I don't want to go off track too much, but you know that scene in Jurassic Park where the raptor opens the door to the kitchen? They couldn't do that because their hand rotation was limited. Basically they had their hands stuck in a clapping position, palms facing each other.



El Squibbonator	Dec 24 2011, 07:17 PM Post #14
The Third Child Posts: 1,807 Group: Members Member #169 Joined: May 5, 2009 Gender: Male Area of expertise: Future Evolution Nationality: USA Favorite Quote: Maybe if we started looking at whats the same instead of always looking at whats different. . .well, who knows-- Meowth	JohnFaa Dec 24 2011, 03:27 PM Brain structure. The traditional method, by size, is useless as, according to those tests, crows are as smart as shorebirds; the brain structure methods has supported both ostrich level intelligence and more derived neoave level intelligence, but nowhere near the intellect of crows and parrots. But ostriches are herbivores, and troodontids were at least omnivorous. Omnivores tend to be smarter than carnivores, which in turn are usually smarter than herbivores. I doubt troodontids, even the omnivorous ones, had the same sort of diet as ratites, so it's not really a good comparison.



Russwallac	Dec 24 2011, 07:18 PM Post #15
"Ta-da!" Posts: 2,912 Group: Members Member #574 Joined: May 27, 2011 Gender: Male Area of expertise: Xenobiology Nationality: Animalia, Chordata, Mammalia, Primates, Hominidae, Homo sapiens sapiens Favorite Quote: One cannot define what life IS, but we sure as heck can define what it ISN'T.	The raptors is Jurassic Park have pronated hands, so it's a moot point anyway.



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