Bats fly better than birds

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Bats fly better than birds
Topic Started: Nov 25 2011, 08:23 AM (1,085 Views)
JohnFaa	Nov 25 2011, 08:23 AM Post #1
Adveho in mihi Lucifer Posts: 7,699 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: May 31, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: Portugayse Favorite Quote: Blame is the playing of children and is given to many like a gift that cannot be returned. Acceptance is the tool of the mature that is rarely loaned out.	http://www.livescience.com/1245-bats-efficient-flyers-birds.html And pterosaurs flied better than bats. THE CYCLE IS COMPLETE.



Rick Raptor	Nov 25 2011, 11:08 AM Post #2
Adolescent Posts: 430 Group: Members Member #200 Joined: Aug 14, 2009 Gender: Male Area of expertise: Alternative Evolution Nationality: Germany Favorite Quote: "The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education." Albert Einstein.	Then shouldn´t bats eventually outcompete similar birds (e.g. nightjars)?



trex841	Nov 25 2011, 11:20 AM Post #3
Superhuman Posts: 3,518 Group: Members Member #533 Joined: Mar 28, 2011 Gender: Male Favorite Quote: "unnecessary is the best kind of necessary" Me	or...had outcompeted them already? what's keeping them?



Nanotyranus	Nov 25 2011, 12:27 PM Post #4
He Who Fails Posts: 1,518 Group: Members Member #506 Joined: Feb 24, 2011 Gender: Male Nationality: English Favorite Quote: IT'S DJ JAZZY WORM JEFF!!! -JesseCox	Probably because most of them have a good niche already, and birds hold their niches already, making it easier to stay in their respective niches. Or maybe it's due to something completely unrelated, like live birth vs. eggs.



Russwallac	Nov 25 2011, 12:39 PM Post #5
"Ta-da!" Posts: 2,913 Group: Members Member #574 Joined: May 27, 2011 Gender: Male Area of expertise: Xenobiology Nationality: Animalia, Chordata, Mammalia, Primates, Hominidae, Homo sapiens sapiens Favorite Quote: One cannot define what life IS, but we sure as heck can define what it ISN'T.	Bats haven't been around as long as birds; they've been slowly replacing birds whenever a niche opens, though. They've already grabbed most of the nocturnal niches, and are just now starting on the diurnal ones (fruit bats, for instance).



trex841	Nov 25 2011, 01:07 PM Post #6
Superhuman Posts: 3,518 Group: Members Member #533 Joined: Mar 28, 2011 Gender: Male Favorite Quote: "unnecessary is the best kind of necessary" Me	ah, so it's a slow takeover.



JohnFaa	Nov 25 2011, 01:28 PM Post #7
Adveho in mihi Lucifer Posts: 7,699 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: May 31, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: Portugayse Favorite Quote: Blame is the playing of children and is given to many like a gift that cannot be returned. Acceptance is the tool of the mature that is rarely loaned out.	Russwallac Nov 25 2011, 12:39 PM Bats haven't been around as long as birds; they've been slowly replacing birds whenever a niche opens, though. They've already grabbed most of the nocturnal niches, and are just now starting on the diurnal ones (fruit bats, for instance). This. When bats evolved, birds were already dominant, and thus could not expand into new niches. Since the Eocene, they've been expanding, and I would not be surprised if they took over once an extinction event decimated several bird clades.



Spugpow	Nov 25 2011, 03:03 PM Post #8
Adult Posts: 998 Group: Members Member #389 Joined: Sep 20, 2010	It said they compared a hummingbird to a similar-sized bat. It seems to me that hummingbirds exert a lot more control over their flight than bats, which probably requires more energy (which they can afford because of their high calorie diet). The comparison seems dubious. Also, birds have far more efficient respiratory systems than bats.



Fakey	Nov 25 2011, 03:12 PM Post #9
An unreasonable man. Post Rank: What The? Posts: 5,429 Group: Members Member #149 Joined: Mar 12, 2009 Gender: Male Area of expertise: Future Evolution Nationality: Murrca. Favorite Quote: “I have no fear of losing my life; if I have to save a koala or a crocodile or a kangaroo or a snake, mate, I will save it.” -Steve Irwin	Peregrine Flacons say bats ain't got sheeit.



Spugpow	Nov 25 2011, 03:43 PM Post #10
Adult Posts: 998 Group: Members Member #389 Joined: Sep 20, 2010	Also, how is it that birds beat out pterosaurs?



Fakey	Nov 25 2011, 04:55 PM Post #11
An unreasonable man. Post Rank: What The? Posts: 5,429 Group: Members Member #149 Joined: Mar 12, 2009 Gender: Male Area of expertise: Future Evolution Nationality: Murrca. Favorite Quote: “I have no fear of losing my life; if I have to save a koala or a crocodile or a kangaroo or a snake, mate, I will save it.” -Steve Irwin	They didn't. They filled different niches. This is common knowledge.



JohnFaa	Nov 25 2011, 05:12 PM Post #12
Adveho in mihi Lucifer Posts: 7,699 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: May 31, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: Portugayse Favorite Quote: Blame is the playing of children and is given to many like a gift that cannot be returned. Acceptance is the tool of the mature that is rarely loaned out.	Spugpow Nov 25 2011, 03:43 PM Also, how is it that birds beat out pterosaurs? They didn't, as I'm fucking tired of explaining. Pterosaurs suffered due to the Turonian extinction events that also decimated 80% of the marine reptile taxa and several dinosaurs like brachiosaurs, and even then birds never took advantage, as azhdarchids quickly recovered, and so did ornithocheiroids and possibly anurognathids. Indeed, no flying bird in the Mesozoic was above the size of a hawk.



Nanotyranus	Nov 26 2011, 03:43 PM Post #13
He Who Fails Posts: 1,518 Group: Members Member #506 Joined: Feb 24, 2011 Gender: Male Nationality: English Favorite Quote: IT'S DJ JAZZY WORM JEFF!!! -JesseCox	Pterosaurs are THAT AWESOME.



JohnFaa	Nov 27 2011, 10:39 AM Post #14
Adveho in mihi Lucifer Posts: 7,699 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: May 31, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: Portugayse Favorite Quote: Blame is the playing of children and is given to many like a gift that cannot be returned. Acceptance is the tool of the mature that is rarely loaned out.	Indeed, to deny their awesomeness is not heresy, is reality denial.



Fakey	Nov 27 2011, 12:40 PM Post #15
An unreasonable man. Post Rank: What The? Posts: 5,429 Group: Members Member #149 Joined: Mar 12, 2009 Gender: Male Area of expertise: Future Evolution Nationality: Murrca. Favorite Quote: “I have no fear of losing my life; if I have to save a koala or a crocodile or a kangaroo or a snake, mate, I will save it.” -Steve Irwin	You know, until someone goes back in time and wipes them out a hundred million years too early. TEEHEE.



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