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The Inability to Lie
Topic Started: May 24 2011, 11:43 AM (1,016 Views)
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Magoo
May 25 2011, 03:27 PM
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May 25 2011, 03:25 PM
then - when finally the Victorian Filth allow you your human rights - i.e. pigs can't torture you or question you without a legally appointed guardian present ... they find the tape where apparently you said you were happy for the Sargent's fat mate to be your confidant a "appointed guardian"... trust a policeman? Never... if ever society had a culture practiced in deceit, lies, corruption and general malevolence, it was police forces world-wide...
this practice is called "verballling" and has been used by the filthy jacks in Australia for at least the last 150 years...

America's police are very corrupt too. Not everywhere, but in a lot of places there's hardcore corruption. The police in general are the same kind of people who grow up to be criminals. They bully people and abuse their power because it's not the law they want to uphold, they just want the power that comes with authority. They can beat the shit out of you with collapsable batons, taze you, mace you, and then cuff you at gunpoint and if they ask in court they can just lie through their teeth. Who will the jury believe; the man on trial or the police officer? In America running from the police isn't illegal (so long as you don't hit them or anything) because they're so terrifying.
We should all aspire to die surrounded by our dearest friends. Just like Julius Caesar.

"The Lord Universe said: 'The same fate I have given to all things from stones to stars, that one day they shall become naught but memories aloft upon the winds of time. From dust all was born, and to dust all shall return.' He then looked upon His greatest creation, life, and pitied them, for unlike stars and stones they would soon learn of this fate and despair in the futility of their own existence. And so the Lord Universe decided to give life two gifts to save them from this despair. The first of these gifts was the soul, that life might more readily accept their fate, and the second was fear, that they might in time learn to avoid it altogether." - Excerpt from a Chanagwan creation myth, Legends and Folklore of the Planet Ghar, collected and published by Yieju Bai'an, explorer from the Celestial Commonwealth of Qonming

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Has anyone here watched "Clever Monkeys"?

I saw it the other night on our free to air national broadcaster (Aussie equivalent of BBC - i.e. ABC).

Narrated by the "master" (David Attenborough, truly a world heritage human being) - they showed various species of capuchin - one species, members who are low in the pecking order, have learned to "lie" - i.e. give the "snake" alarm call so they can stash a feed before a more senior member confiscates it (in the case on film, an egg).

It was an amazing doco - I think you can watch it online too -

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/clever-monkeys/

I was amazed at the behaviour of 8 different rainforest monkeys in Africa, acting as a unified troop, and translating one species "word" for a percieved threat, into their own "word"... e.g. mangabey alerts "leopard", and guenon translates that into guenon word for leopard, then red colobus hears that and translate into their species' word for leopard...

And Geladas - amazing! More study needed of Gelada - theorized they may even have "verbal" names for individuals!

Amazing shit - as ever - truth is stranger than fiction!
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I don't see why members of a eusocial society would have any reason to lie to one another--What's good for the individual is good for all, and only one group member gets to breed anyway (so no conflict over mates).
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I agree Spug... in Eusocial animals... they're "selfless" anyway... deceit is only useful to individualistic entities within groups... an asexual worker does not breed, and would have no advantage in seeking advantage over a fellow infertile asexual sibling "clone".

That BBC doco is also available on Youtube (official sanctioned Youtube BBC group thingie)

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