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| Topic Started: Mar 11 2011, 06:27 PM (3,471 Views) | |
| FallingWhale | Mar 25 2011, 04:43 PM Post #76 |
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SCIENCE is science and logy is study of; there for... The name does not state the practice; the study of unknown animals falls on field zoologists of various subgroups. Example that I do so love: name one animal discovered by cryptozoologists. Sounds easy doesn't it. |
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| Carlos | Mar 25 2011, 04:57 PM Post #77 |
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The original word is technically "Kryptos", the greek word for exactly what you described. |
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| Jasonguppy | Mar 25 2011, 06:23 PM Post #78 |
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I know. |
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| Kamidio | Mar 25 2011, 08:26 PM Post #79 |
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Who discovered African Mountain Men? Brits with guns, enough alchohol in their systems to kill a normal man, and PhDs that say certified "Biologist". Who discovered Giraffe/Zebra hybrids? Those same men. Who discovered Land Crocodiles? Those same men. Guess what we call these animals today. We call them the Gorrila, the Okapi, and the Komodo Dragon. Notice how I never mentioned once "Crazy whackjobs that say they saw Bigfoot playing poker last Monday." |
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| Cephylus | Mar 25 2011, 09:02 PM Post #80 |
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I can name more than one. The Saola, the Okapi, the Komodo Dragon, the Megamouth Shark, the Giant Squid, the Mountain Gorilla, the King Cheetah (mutation of normal cheetah), the Hoan Kiem Turtle, the Cuiver's Beaked Whale, Zanzibar Leopard. |
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| FallingWhale | Mar 25 2011, 09:55 PM Post #81 |
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The saola was discovered by reserve biologists before cryptozoologists had a guess. Okapi was Sir Harry Johnston, a professional explorer, who's job it was to find and record plants and animals, a normal zoologist. Komodo dragon was the Dutch army. Megamouth wasn't rumored at all, then one got trapped on an anchor line owned by the US Navy. Giant squid were biologists. Gorillas were Jeffries Wyman way back in 1847, not that they weren't well documented by everyone but Europeans. King cheetahs have been described since the first kingdom of Egypt, it was also proven by naturalists. Hoan Kiem Turtles have an odd story, in 1967 one crawled out of the lake then died, no one discovered it alone. That said, no cryptozoologists involved. Georges Cuvier found a skull, named it after himself, 50 years later a pod washes up and that cleared it up. Zanzibar Leopards were common then exterminated. I said cryptozoologists had to find them, that is the point. |
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| Cephylus | Mar 26 2011, 01:36 AM Post #82 |
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Does someone has to have discovered it 'alone'? And what I meant by cryptozoologists having discovered the new species is that they were the ones they identified the newly discovered species. Take the more elusive cryptids such as the Sea Serpents or Giant Apes for example. Are cryptozoologists the ones who make sighting of these cryptids in the literal meaning? In most cases no. Cryptozoologists, and biologists as well (Who can be called cryptozoologists. You say that in the case of the giant squid and the okapi some professional explorer or biologist discovered it. Is there a clear distinction between a cryptozoologist, a biologist and a cryptozoology fan? No clear distinction exists. The biologists and explorers are, in the sense that they identified an undiscovered species and made speculation about them, ARE cryptozoologists. What is the standard for the 'normal zoologist' and 'biologist' you speak of?) are the ones who identify the animal, make speculation on what it is. If we consider "a discovery of a new animal" in the sense that you speak of, then take the grizzly bear, for instance. The native americans long knew of this animal and described it hundreds of years before the Europeans even set foot on North America, but do we say that the native americans 'discovered' the grizzly bear? The people who describe the animal properly and identify it are, I repeat, in most cases the 'discoverer' of the animal. And the Megamouth Shark. You say that the animal 'wasn't rumored' before its formal discovery. Does an animal has to have rumors before it being discovered? In the case of legendary cryptids such as the Jersey Devil or the Loch Ness Monster legends and rumors did exist before they were identified formally as cryptids, but a newly discovered species doesn't have to be 'rumored' before it is described. Have some respect for people and their interests. You say cryptozoologists 'had to find them'. Do you even know how hard is it to discover a new animal, especially a large, easily noticeable one? And plus the cyptozoologists we speak of aren't even cryptozoologists in the normal sense. Mostly they are normal zoologists and biologists who just have an interest for connecting undiscovered animals and real plausible biology with cryptids. It is not their job to find cryptids. The field of cyptozoology doesn't even exist in the normal sense. |
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| Jasonguppy | Mar 26 2011, 07:15 AM Post #83 |
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Cryptozoologists don't make sightings, they try to infer from what has been seen as well as local legends. They are the professional speculative biologists, because they are the only ones who actually use RL. They discovered okapi's, gorillas, komodo dragons, etc. They were found by the amateurs who had the sightings and did their research and their expeditions and worked to the bone to find the meaning of the sightings. Any biologist looking for new species is a cryptozoologist. If yoou disagree with me, then you obviously don't know the meaning of Cryptozoology. If you just don't like, then don't talk about it oor get involved in cryptid discussions. |
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| Scrublord | Mar 26 2011, 07:46 AM Post #84 |
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I'm sorry, but I have to agree with FW here. Those animals--gorillas, okapis, giant squid-- were simply discovered, not thought to be fictional before being proven real. True, there was evidence of them long before scientist obtained their first specimens, but that doesn't make them necessarily cryptids. A cryptid is by definition an animal whose existence is doubted by mainstream science, and if this is the case then no crypitd has been "proven" to exist (there's some very tantalizing evidence for some though). |
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| Cephylus | Mar 26 2011, 08:21 AM Post #85 |
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Well, I hope they discover sea serpents sooner or later, I really do think they exist, a new species of pinniped/cetacean. |
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| lamna | Mar 28 2011, 06:56 AM Post #86 |
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If you're looking for an animal and you know what is is from local legends, other sighting etc. That's cryptozoology. If you are just doing a survey of an area and find a new kind of bee, or stumble upon a new fish in a market, that's not cryptozoology. That's discovery. |
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