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Would you read these Novels?; Stories from aftermath of the Sino-American War
Topic Started: Feb 24 2011, 06:36 PM (509 Views)
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Premise. Relations between the USA and China do not improve as much as they did in the 1970s. Tensions rise until in 2007, war breaks out. Then, a submarine launches a nuclear missile at a small Chinese city, and all hell breaks loose. It's never clear if it's a US one, a Chinese false flag operation or someone else, but that hardly matters. The results are the same.

The People's Republic falls, and the USA very nearly does too. Taiwan starts to take over China and Russia becomes the worlds new superpower, or at least as close to a superpower as there is in this world.
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Looks interesting,it remines me about a game call Homefront.
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Did you mean 2027 (instead of 2007)?

Sounds good - I like anything where the Russians do well...
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Russia does not often do well in my projects, which is why I made this for Russian New Year.
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And no, I meant 2007. Most of it happens in the near future, but it is alternate history. China never gets as friendly as it does with America as it did in real life. Maybe Nixon stole a panda.

I started this project before either Homefront was announced or I'd heard about it. It started as North Korea annexing a lot of Manchuria and Russia tolerating them, but I've changed it so they annex a lot less.

Other than involving North Korea it's not much like Homefront at all. In Homefront the DPRK unites with the South and annexes Japan, the Philippines, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia, East Timor, Malaysia, Brunei, Thailand, Singapore and Burma by 2024, the USA get weak from a bad economy and then the Greater Korean Republic EMPs the USA in 2027 and invades.

In my story, North Korea jointly occupies Manchuria with Russia to control the flood of refugees and crime along their borders and North Korea annexes part of Manchuria, much of it having a large Korean minority.
Korea gets rid of the Kim dynasty/makes them figureheads. It liberalizes economically and slowly builds better relations with both the South and Japan. The DPRK builds up its military with Russian help, though they do invent quite a few things themselves like the VTOL cruiser, a sort of miniature aircraft carrier that can operate about 3 jump jets, and the Hwacha, very advanced rocket artillery able to put down a lot of accurate fire. Imagine a Soviet Katyusha combined with Metal Storm.
By 2027 they have two client states, one in the Philippines and one in Vanuatu. Neither is annexed.
Korea might poke the USA to see if it can get a communist movement going, but they won't invade it. They would be more likely to try and make more states in the Pacific and Indian Oceans to be friendly towards them, and also try and take advantage of the continuing chaos in Yemen and Somalia.
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Shame I'm so bad at writing really.

Anyone get any criticism or insights?

Would you like to know more?
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If read novels, potentially. My only concerns are:

- Nukes aren't powerful enough to turn entire continental areas to slag. They will decimate entire cities (Apocaluck puts places such as Juneau and Minneapolis as totally to more-or-less destroyed), and fallout will be far-ranging, but the general outcome will probably be better in rural areas than one might think. Not that it helps much.

- The central government of the US- or its remainder, would maintain (or attempt to maintain) loose control over the rest of the continental US. Their inability to do so would be a reason for European, British and even South/Central American (?) countries to be brought in to stabilise regions the spent and stretched thin US forces could not alone, but I think this would be due to US/international cooperation. Unless they don't have a choice, but I have a feeling people will either do three things:

- Assume a national loyalty.

- Assume a state/local loyalty.

- Become lawless criminals that nobody wants to be friends with, unless some kind of cooperation is present.

- Likewise, I think China would be both harder hit and slightly less affected, due to its third-world status- for example, many more people could survive living in rural areas. I have a feeling that Russian and Japanese forces would be most apparent there, with NK involvement only being due to deranged oppurtunism.

- What happened to the original cold war? What happened to the USSR? Did the US fight two simultaneous cold wars? What were the trilateral relations between the US, the USSR, and the PRC? What is the Russian involvement in the US-PRC war?

- What are global geopolitics like in general? Where do British and European loyalties lie? Does anything like a EU exist? What is the outcome of the several (real and alternate) proxy wars?

- What is the state of technology at this time? Is the Chinese space program more advanced than it was in our timeline due to political pressure? Has the US gone 'further' than it did in our timeline? What is the state of military technology, specifically nuclear weapons and their countermeasures?

If these were adressed in such a novel- I would read it, if I read novels. Sadly I don't. That's partially because I'm too uncultured for books, apparently. :rolleyes:
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I've told you before. The grey areas are lawless regions with no government beyond small towns or gangs, not places so badly nuked nothing can live. If I thought nukes could do that, why would I put them in the less densely populated areas of the USA?

The USA does claim all of the former US territory, aside from a region they sell to Mexico, and Guantanamo bay, which they cede back to Cuba to avoid them taking it by force, and to get a little money out of it. It's just with limited fuel and ruined infrastructure controlling some areas is harder than others.

China's developed, it's not third world. The coast is badly hit, which is why the Republic of China can take over so fast. Inland more people survived so more warlords and various different governments claiming to be the People's Republic of China carry on. Japanese forces were something I considered, but dismissed early on.
One, it would be iffy to justify giving Japan's Constitution. Doable, but not easy.
Two, the Chinese, really, really hate the Japanese. A Japanese peace keeping force would probably make things more violent and unstable.

The Cold War continued much as it did in our world, the USA and USSR competing and China watching both of them. Up until 2007 you'd not notice much difference unless you worked in the Chinese defense industry.
Russian involvement in the Sino-American war was limited. They took down a few American nuclear weapons coming down too near the border for comfort, and helped negotiate a truce. Some say they escalated the war by firing a nuclear missile at China, but nobody knows who really did that.

There is a EU, and it's much like the real one. Maybe a little big closer to being a single country. In Western Europe not much has changed. Belgium broke apart and Luxembourg annexed the German speaking parts. Kosovo's independence was very short lived, and eventually Serbia and Montenegro reunited. Bosnia has fallen apart after a short war, with the Republika Srpska becoming an independent state, and the Croats annexed a small chunk of Bosnia.

In Africa things are a little better. With no Chinese support for the foreseeable future Tanzania pulls it's finger out and East Africa federates, and in Zimbabwe Mugabe gets kicked out of power. Somalia falls apart though, as does Yemen.

In South and Central America with Russian help, the Bolivarian Alliance goes from a vague collection of leftists to a powerful coalition and economic bloc.

India take the USA's seat in the UN, which is based in Geneva now.

Technological progress gets retarded somewhat thanks to the massive plunge the economy took during the war, but it's about what you would expect 20 years in the future.

I could drone on and on, but I'll leave it there.

Why don't you read novels?
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