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| Canis Lupis | Feb 27 2011, 12:45 PM Post #106 |
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Dinosaurs eat man, woman inherits the Earth.
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Yeah, it took me about 20 minutes to write out that little story snippet T.Neo. And I agree with T.Neo about how movies that do go in-depth and are complex. Audiences are moe apt to enjoy a movie that makes them think a little rather than spoon-feeding them the whole plot. Plus, if a movie does make you think, the audiences are more apt to go back and watch the movie again and again AT THE THEATER. A bunch of my friends (who are in no way speculative biologists like us) went back to see "Inception" again and again just to make sure they understood the whole thing. And guess what? They are still discussing it and enjoy the movie just as much. And you wonder why "Inception" is up for best picture and is the one I hope will win. |
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| Jasonguppy | Feb 27 2011, 01:36 PM Post #107 |
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I know some of you might not get this, but sometimes cliche is fine. Viewers like to be made to think, but they also like something that is a bit familiar. You must have familiar things that are slightly different to make the audience love it. |
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| Jasonguppy | Feb 27 2011, 01:37 PM Post #108 |
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I know some of you might not get this, but sometimes cliche is fine. Viewers like to be made to think, but they also like something that is a bit familiar. You must have familiar things that are slightly different to make the audience love it. |
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| SIngemeister | Feb 27 2011, 02:05 PM Post #109 |
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Personally, I think hiding in America is a pretty good idea, in story. It's one of the most populated places in the world, its army is the best, the food's cheap, the people are supposed to be friendly, it's very rich, it generally has a load of things going for it. |
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| Holben | Feb 27 2011, 03:01 PM Post #110 |
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Rumbo a la Victoria
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Cliche is, by definition, something we are tired of. What you mean, Jason, is that some tropes are good. |
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Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea. "It is the old wound my king. It has never healed." | |
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| dialforthedevil | Feb 27 2011, 03:47 PM Post #111 |
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I agree with Canis, as most of you will find your most favourite films are those which made you think. For me that would be: Fight Club Shawshank Redemption Children of Men Jurassic Park Godfather (parts 1 and 2) |
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| SIngemeister | Feb 27 2011, 03:56 PM Post #112 |
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Toy Story 3 was good. Dunno how much that made me think apart from "OHGODSOMEOFMYFAVOURITECHILDHOODCHARACTERSAREGOINGTODIEBLUHBLUH" |
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| T.Neo | Feb 27 2011, 04:23 PM Post #113 |
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Translunar injection: TLI
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Maybe you should consider a career as a writer.
Well... I don't know if Inception will win (it would be awesome if it does), but yeah... also, academy award nomination... big stuff. I don't see I Am Number Four getting an academy award nomination...
Exactly. Cliches are born when tropes become malignant with overuse.
1. There are countries that are larger than the US, area wise. 2. There are countries that are larger than the US population wise. 3. There are countries that have a higher/lower population density compared to the US. 4. The population density of the US varies widely from area to area. 5. The standard of living of the US varies widely from area to area. 6. The 'friendliness' in the US varies widely from area to area. 7. The climate can be extreme. 8. The military either does not matter or is a burden or will get involved anyway, somehow.
Yes but remember: This is a Pixar film. They are undoubtedly of high quality. Also, remember that the first Toy Story was a pretty original concept... computer animation of the sort at that time was virtually unknown, it's hard to imagine an era when computer animation was fresh and new, with all the cotton-on people and their films today. Edited by T.Neo, Feb 27 2011, 04:24 PM.
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| dialforthedevil | Feb 27 2011, 04:31 PM Post #114 |
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I reckon True Grit will... the only real contenders are the Kings Speech and True Grit. And you yanks will never let a brit win
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| Jasonguppy | Feb 27 2011, 05:30 PM Post #115 |
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Yup. Didn't see Kings Speech or True Grit. |
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| SIngemeister | Feb 27 2011, 05:45 PM Post #116 |
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1. Yes, China and India. Both have poor qualities of life for the majority, and frankly I don't see a race of feudal overlords sending their person their, and it's unfeasible to send the guy into the minority because that would be noticed. 2. Yes. Russia, Canada and China. Russia suffers from the same problems as China, and has a lower population. Canada just has a lower population than the US. Also, extreme climate for both. 3. Again yes. But a lot of those are either islands, have lower population density, are currently suffering really harsh regimes or are undergoing civil war, are dealing with their own alien problems (in my mind, this is in the same universe as District 9) or are Britain. Which is full of miserable people. 4. Go to New York then. 5. Still a lot better than most people have it though. 6. Like in every single country. The Americans are less likely to stab you for money. The chance is still there, but it's a lot less. 7. Emphasis on 'can'. There are many places in the US where the climate is perfectly serviceable, and there's enough space to move about freely. |
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| lamna | Feb 27 2011, 06:21 PM Post #117 |
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America seems ideal for me, it's federal so you can cross state lines to get out of trouble, not perfect but it could help. They have areas that are very densely populated, for when you need to hide in a crowd and areas that are all but empty, when you need to head for the wilderness. They are pretty open and fair, something you don't get in every nation. They have a very large and good military, and are close allies with two other great powers (UK and France) and two economic powers (Japan and Germany). Assuming that the General is not just doing to drop rocks on us and need to find the Prince with ground forces, it's going to be hardest in the USA. As far as I know, the USA is the best at anti-satellite warfare and one of the few able to do it at all. Also, they have lots of nuclear weapons. Despite the jokes, they are fairly well educated, as you probably know your neighbours to the north still kill "witches". Also the language used in the USA and currency are useful anywhere in the world. Really, the only options I see are Russia, China and the USA. And I know where I'd rather be exiled to. |
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| Yorick | Feb 27 2011, 06:32 PM Post #118 |
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"Inception" is an average movie that's sucess is in large part due to its hype and brilliant marketing. It's not a very engaging story and half the film is exposition. Plus, Leonardo DiCaprio deserves a razzie nod. Now "Gattaca" and "Minority Report" made me think and are some of the best sci-fi films I've seen in years. "Inception" is a golden dancer.
This is a topic for another day then but I'm sure we're going to see hover cars in our lifetime.
That's your problem. Most audience members simply won't know or care.
What an ignorant thing to say.
No, you wouldn't. That's nuts.
We know. No one is stopping you from making a film not set in your native lands but no one would think less of you for doing so.
Lee isn't American and I know that these filmmakers have made movies in other countries. But it sounds like you're saying that filmmakers should never-not even once-set a film in their native homeland.
What's annoying? It's where he's most familiar with, owes nobody to film a movie elsewhere and the location of a good story is completely irrelevant.
The alien father visited America beforehand and befriended an American. He sends his son to the human friend's house in America. So what? I could use those statistics for any opther places. Would you be criticizing my locale if it was set in Australia? It's a trivial matter.
People only care about the story and never decide that they won't or will see an action or horror movie because it's set in City or Country or Continent X.
It doesn't HAVE to be. I just WANT it to be and there's nothing wrong about that at all. I already explained that aliens visiting America is a reflection of where the biggest film industry is located at and not a lack of imagination. If the U.K. had the gigantic film industry instead, you can bet aliens were landing in Britain all the time in the movies.
Well there are no such things as original stories; just execution and variation. The filmmakers did a bad job making an original variation and executing the story. Something that I will strive not to do.
What's to consider? How would anyone getting anything done ever if they thought 'but what if I screw up?'
What a ridiculously paranoid thing to say.
I never denied that overseas market were important. Not once. Not one single, solitary time. But domestic grosses are just as if not more important and have to be given consideration.
But not impossible and difinetely irrelevant. Stop being paranoid. I'm done arguing over such a trivial matter.
As much as any other movie for any other market is.
Quit the snarkiness. Conventions and cliches are two different things.
-I know it wasn't the role that got him acclaim but it just proves that good storytelling and acting will make audiences buy almost anything -Conventions and cliches are two different things and the romance is just one part of my script and certainly not about alien-human relations -So what?
But "Face/Off" is still one of the best action flicks made and people have bought alien-human romances several times before in fiction without protest. The president would get killed and so would the billionaire whose identity would be revealed very quickly given the high end equipment and vehicles he uses.
Oh brother...
So it is but it's all unnecessary and irrelevant to the story.
Audiences won't know or care about the logic of alien-human sexual attraction even when the alien is in human form or the other way around. I'm just going the Hollywood, primate-like route because I don't care about their appearance. It's not important. Actually, I might just keep the description of the aliens very vague and the filmmakers will more than likely use primate-like aliens whether I like it or not and no one will be able to blame me for doing so. The screenwriter has nothing to do with what the director or make-up artists envisions.
I'm not knocking on anything. Just defending filmmakers' rights to set their films wherever they please.
Like I said, it doesn't matter to the story. I repeat: Actually, I might just keep the description of the aliens very vague and the filmmakers will more than likely use primate-like aliens whether I like it or not and no one will be able to blame me for doing so. The screenwriter has nothing to do with what the director or producer or make-up artist envisions.
I'd bet good money that that won't happen.
Humanoid aliens long predate "Star Trek."
1) It was a bad description 2) It's a description! It's the script or even film itself that should provoke the mind!
But it's not something many people would watch as a movie. It'd be better off as a novel.
The idea was still made into a published novel and then a major feature film. I don't think there's anything wrong with the premise to "Four." It's lack of acclaim is due in part to bad storytelling.
All very broad or superficial. Both stories have an alien in human form with special powers hiding on Earth hunted by other aliens. That's about it.
It's a sci-fi action coming-of-age story as a I said from the very beginning. He has powers as a result of the human cloning process unlocking dormant genes and repairing holes in the DNA strand. He uses these abilities to rescue his family and understand human culture and emotion.
Write a novel.
I was not a big fan of that overhyped movie.
Yes. The general and his forces go to Earth and track the prince down in human form. Edited by Yorick, Feb 27 2011, 11:06 PM.
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| lamna | Feb 27 2011, 06:49 PM Post #119 |
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I'd just like to say, as a representative of XPI*, that we see no problem with the character being a weird alien falling in love with a human, and it seems the public is not too bad with it either. Look at V, Avatar. Maybe the disguise or whatever alters him somehow so the sexual half of a relationship is not a problem, though I for one would want to see what my alien body could do anyway. *Xenophilic Perverts International |
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| SIngemeister | Feb 27 2011, 07:14 PM Post #120 |
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Hell, human reproduction is easy to find out about. Go on google, search 'tits' and whoop you're there. |
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