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Would you see this movie?
Topic Started: Feb 22 2011, 02:29 AM (5,478 Views)
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There was face sex in that movie. Beastial face sex.
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Why says my action thriller/coming of age story won't have 3-D characters?

My script isn't a boy-meets-girl story. It's a spoiled brat who becomes a strong and noble hero while living on Earth as a human.

Don't worry. I don't have a love interest for the sake of having one. I just love the romance element and giving the hero a stronger reason to want to stay. I don't think his love for his surrogate family will be enough.
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Kill the girl at the end.
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That'll just make his decision easy for him and he'll return to his home planet.
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No. He thinks she's dead, gives up hope, returns home, and then right before he is beheaded or whatever, he finds she is alive and he has reason to live, then does something awesomely heroic and saves her.
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Use your suspension of disbelef. First love is a part of any good coming of age story and it gives him a better reason to want to say on Earth.


Sorry, but suspension of disbelief doesn't go that far.

I would be prepared to suspend my disbelief of antigravity spacecraft, inter-species transformation, heck, even humanesque aliens (if I didn't absolutely hate them as much as I do), but not catfish lovin'... sorry.

"First love is a part of any good coming of age story".

You see, that is why cliche, overused stuff exists... where people think this MUST happen THIS way and THAT way. There's no room at all for flexibility.

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Because most are produced by, filmed in and are for Americans.


Yes. That's a brilliant observation, but I could also theoretically provide a long list of films that were:

- Made for a US audience but earned at least 25% of their earnings overseas (don't joke about 25%- it is quite substantial).

- Filmed outside of the US but set inside the US.

- Set outside of the US and still successful inside the intended American audience.

- Produced by US companies but set abroad.

- Produced, set and filmed outside of the US, but still successful in the US.

It is not baseless, sorry. It might help you could, heck, I dunno, go to the most obscure part of America and set the film there, instead of the even more cliche California location. My personal favourites are Intercourse, Alabama, Moscow, Arkansas, and Sweet Lips, Tenessee.

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there must be a zillion potential scripts out there, with strange fish out of water boy (alien, werewolf, vampire) meets girl - sounds like the sort of script a bunch of people in a room would hash out WHILE or just before the movies is being shot, and it's already got a name and a cast... sounds half baked - sorry...


Yeah, my view here as well... also, if I look at I Am Number Four, it looks a lot similar to this. And from what I can see, it has mostly negative to mixed reviews. One of my favourites being:

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I Am Number Four indeed. Cause this is a movie that just took two gigantic dumps on my brain.


It is also compared to Smallville, Roswell, and X-Files- and not in a good way.

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to set yourself apart, from the zillions - plan something ENTIRELY original - and let Hollywood bastardize it


I second this. If it isn't original, don't bother with it. Unless it contains each and every trope from the typical un-originality that you are suggesting here, and subverts most or all of them. And is styled as parody.

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I prefer movies with unique concepts and ideas, with three dimensional characters, preferably with unknown cast members - I HATE STAR VEHICLES! And "real" dialog... District 9 is brilliant, hits all the buttons for me - unusual setting, unusual premise, unknown cast (well unknown outside Seth Efrica), and it was so good, my sense of disbelief over "hybridisation" or "cell grafting" was completely suspended.


The cast was pretty unknown locally as well. IIRC, one or two worked on soaps, but the rest were really unknown. I hadn't heard of Sharlto Copley before District 9, he was mainly involved in production etc. He did have a small part in Neill Blomkamp's short film Alive in Joburg, which was the basis for District 9, and also Hellweek, where he takes the part of a stereotypical drill seargent... to train computer animators.

I agree with you entirely. I would probably be the first to criticise the "alien DNA" part, but the film is actually so good that it can carry it effectively, and suspend your belief entirely. That's a rare trait.

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from me seeing a young Sigourney wondering around in skimpy panties - and she's still sexy


YMMV. I didn't find her sexy, even though I don't mind her physique in the film. Maybe it was the fact that there was one of the scariest movie monsters of all time onboard the same ship...

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[but she wan't in Avatar])


I dunno... in Avatar I think she was pretty sexy for a sarcastic chain-smoker who wants to spend all her time being a smurf. :P

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Why says my action thriller/coming of age story won't have 3-D characters?


Logic and probability. Most films like this have bland characters.

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My script isn't a boy-meets-girl story. It's a spoiled brat who becomes a strong and noble hero while living on Earth as a human.


It sure seems that way to me, seeing as there is a boy, who meets a girl...

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Don't worry. I don't have a love interest for the sake of having one. I just love the romance element and giving the hero a stronger reason to want to stay. I don't think his love for his surrogate family will be enough.


Wrong. There's no reason to have a romance involving the main character, and it doesn't make sense.

He can't have enough loyalty to his surrogate family? He can't form a friendship with someone? A friendship that could also contain a sexual tension element (from the human side)?

No. It has to be a romance... it just has to be.

Again, that is a sign of unorginality, cliche, and... unwillingness to pursue new filmmaking avenues.

In other words: A recipe for a film that is exactly the same as a huge number that came before it.

The thing is, something can be good storytelling, originally... but if it gets used over and over and over again it just becomes boring and cliche, unless it is brought into a new light, somehow.
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I think the hero should die.
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I was just thinking about this. I decided to go with the cliche, Hollywood route of having primate-like aliens.

That was what I was afraid you were going to say.

Are you sure that you couldn't go with something a bit more "alien"? Obviously, the bauplan will have to be similar enough to that of humans that the disguise would work, but you could still work around that. For instance;
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This alien is from Doctor Who, and its kind used a "perception filter" to trick the brain into seeing a human there, rather than the alien itself. Of course, I'm not saying that you should make the protagonist a scary fish-shrimp monster like that, but that a human-shaped alien isn't the only option.
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I was just thinking about this. I decided to go with the cliche, Hollywood route of having primate-like aliens.

That was what I was afraid you were going to say.

Are you sure that you couldn't go with something a bit more "alien"? Obviously, the bauplan will have to be similar enough to that of humans that the disguise would work, but you could still work around that. For instance;
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This alien is from Doctor Who, and its kind used a "perception filter" to trick the brain into seeing a human there, rather than the alien itself. Of course, I'm not saying that you should make the protagonist a scary fish-shrimp monster like that, but that a human-shaped alien isn't the only option.
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Actually, have the villain kill the hero, and then have the girl kill the villain
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Have the aliens different, yes!
They don't even have to be CGI- the Alien wasn't. Most of the time.

But don't make them tentacly either!

Centauriformes would be my choice.
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Have the alien dude attracted to the girl spiritually, but repulsed by her physically - then when he overcomes his spiritual attaction - he kills her and eats her - then he suffers endless remorse and becomes a soul-less kiling machine - a wraith...
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Or what if he getsnparanoia that she is cheating on him and doesnt know what humans do so he ats her.
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Oceanus: An endless sea dotted with islands, reefs, and black holes. Literally endless, literal black holes.

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Have the alien dude attracted to the girl spiritually, but repulsed by her physically - then when he overcomes his spiritual attaction - he kills her and eats her


Ok, seriously? Hell no... :o

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This alien is from Doctor Who, and its kind used a "perception filter" to trick the brain into seeing a human there, rather than the alien itself


I'm iffy on the topic of perception filters. See, they're kinda like universal translators.

Suppose you could trick someone into seeing an alien instead of your usual human self. Ok, but now, say this alien has four limbs instead of two? Or is quite tall and has problems getting into doorways? Or eats through a proboscis on its chest? What if you come into physical contact with an alien? Sure they will be able to feel that you are actually a human?

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Have the aliens different, yes!


This. If not, everone here will hate the film forever.

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But don't make them tentacly either!


This too. Tentacled aliens are kind of a cop out when people don't want to make a unique concept but want something more alien than a 'humanesque'.

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They don't even have to be CGI- the Alien wasn't. Most of the time.


Depends. Don't bash CGI, nowdays it is becoming both incredibly photoreal and quite affordable. For a case in point I present District 9; considering the appearance of the prawns (in some shots, you *think* animatronics are being used), how much screen time they had, and the budget of the film, it shows that you certainly don't have to fear CGI.

Puppets, models etc are quite limited. CGI is also limited, but is far more wide-ranging than animatronics, etc.
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I'm iffy on the topic of perception filters. See, they're kinda like universal translators.

Suppose you could trick someone into seeing an alien instead of your usual human self. Ok, but now, say this alien has four limbs instead of two? Or is quite tall and has problems getting into doorways? Or eats through a proboscis on its chest? What if you come into physical contact with an alien? Sure they will be able to feel that you are actually a human?
Had this thought too.
And, if Yorick's including a kiss...

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Depends. Don't bash CGI, nowdays it is becoming both incredibly photoreal and quite affordable. For a case in point I present District 9; considering the appearance of the prawns (in some shots, you *think* animatronics are being used), how much screen time they had, and the budget of the film, it shows that you certainly don't have to fear CGI.
Well, i was thinking entirely in terms of costs, but i suppose you could get some people to do it relatively cheaply these days.
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