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| T.Neo | Feb 24 2011, 03:35 PM Post #61 |
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Yes. They are only baseless and uneccessary to you, because it seems- to me at least- that you can't see a film as more than a collection of cliches meant to pander to the utmost common denominator. Sorry, Yorick, but I think your idea is complete rubbish. Nothing personal- I think it's complete rubbish because it isn't your idea- it isn't an original idea. It is a recycling of so many cliche, boring, un-original films that are- guess what- baseless and unecessary. If you do not want a critique on your film, do not tell people about it, and certainly do not get it made. Because trust me, films will be heavily criticised, by everyone. Sorry, Yorick, I'm just voicing my opinion... all you do is rebutt everything I say. If you dislike it so much, then why ask a question such as "Would you see this movie"? |
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| bloom_boi | Feb 24 2011, 03:41 PM Post #62 |
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| SIngemeister | Feb 24 2011, 03:43 PM Post #63 |
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Personally, I think it would depend a lot on the quality of the acting and directing. Really bad ideas can be salvaged by those, and good ones ripped to shreds by poor acting and directing. |
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| T.Neo | Feb 24 2011, 03:43 PM Post #64 |
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Yes. I'm in a kind of an 'ouch' mood right now. Considering partially that my childhood dream is about to blast off into orbit at over 7 kilometers per second, leaving me as a boring observer watching from thousands of kilometers away. ![]() Fun stuff. They don't even overfly near here on the first orbit, the shuttle has to launch northerly because launching southerly to the space station would put Brazil at risk of having rocket parts dropped on them in the event of an accident...
I'm skeptical. Maybe, but there have been a lot of bad movies with good talent... that have remained bad. Also, if the film is that bad i.e. Pluto Nash bad (which even this concept isn't), the actors and the crew will try to be as 'hammy' as possible just to have fun with the role(s)... I'm also skeptical of the talent involved... you can cast people in their 20s, sure, but there are also a whole lot more bad or mediocre actors than there are really, really proficient ones. Edited by T.Neo, Feb 24 2011, 03:49 PM.
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| SIngemeister | Feb 24 2011, 03:49 PM Post #65 |
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Hence the 'can' |
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| colddigger | Feb 24 2011, 04:09 PM Post #66 |
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T. Neo... have you taken a screenwriting class? |
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| Ddraig Goch | Feb 24 2011, 04:31 PM Post #67 |
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@Yorick - your film seems interesting enough to me... I probably wouldn't pay to see it, but I would most likely watch it once it got onto TV. Then again, I don't go to the cinema that often anyway. One question... what do these aliens look like? |
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| T.Neo | Feb 24 2011, 05:41 PM Post #68 |
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No. Why? Am I not cliche enough? I just read up on popular and critical opinons of films, have a disdain for tired cliches, and have an interest in putting across concepts via dynamic media. |
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| SIngemeister | Feb 24 2011, 06:05 PM Post #69 |
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There's a reason for cliches. They are a tried and tested formula. We know they work. |
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| Yorick | Feb 24 2011, 06:17 PM Post #70 |
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Definitely live action.
I don't care if you dislike the premise but some things are incredibly nit-picky and unnecessary (questioning the inter-species romance, wanting geezers as the protagonists,) or baseless (the American setting, critizing a showdown between the hero and villain at the climax). Though I am sorry that I offended you.
You can make a bad film from a good script but you can never make a good film from a bad script.
I was just thinking about this. I decided to go with the cliche, Hollywood route of having primate-like aliens. They're not going to be SO humanoid that their appearance is criticized ala "Star Trek." More like "Farscape" or "Star Wars." |
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| lamna | Feb 24 2011, 06:35 PM Post #71 |
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Yorick, if you think we are giving you a hard time, just wait till you try to get this made. As Douglas Adam's said "The Hollywood process is like trying to grill a steak by having a succession of people coming into the room and breathing on it."I know, but ever since I read in a novel it I've been dying to use it. |
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| T.Neo | Feb 24 2011, 06:41 PM Post #72 |
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Wrong. There is a reason for tropes- they are a tried and tested forumla. A cliche is when a trope becomes tired, or takes on a sort of 'malignant' trait within storytelling effectiveness, or when a trope is treated in an exceedingly unoriginal manner.
Good for you if you don't care, because a whole lot of people will- if you think I'm bad, you haven't pitched the idea to the likes of Roger Ebert. Or the ever pervasive internet know-it-all... oh... wait... nevermind. The ever pervasive guy with an opinion on Youtube who uses trendy lexicon and influences the opinons of a whole lot of other people... I don't really see what's nit-picking about questioning a romance between two organisms that might as well be catfish in relation toward eachother just because there has to be a romance (i.e. a token romance). Also, I am no 'geezer', but I take offense to your insistant use of the word 'geezer'- you will a 'geezer' one day. And every 'geezer' around was once your age, so... Thing is, young people like making fun of old people. But there's more! Old people like making fun of old people, so... It was just a suggestion to use a 'geezer' as a protagonist, not necessarily one for this film- I agree, that it would not work that well here, but, I put it forth to encourage more wide-ranging concept thinking.
Ok... so a showdown between the hero and villain is one thing, but... there's no reason to have it formulaically the same every single time. For example, in District 9, the protagonist (Wikus) has a showdown with the closest thing to a single antagonist (Kobus). Yet what is arguably more important is the escape of Christoper and his son, and Wikus performing a moral turnaround to protect the interests of the people he previously despised. And there is no mention of the real 'big bad'- the MNU and probably everone else who wants to cut Wikus up for his genetically intermingled body parts- he gets his retribution against them in the film, but it does not really come to a singular "hur, hero time" moment. And after he's showed off with the mercenary forces, Kobus is about to kill him, until... FOKKIN PRAWNS jump out and tear his head off. So the 'essential' thematic element of an antagonist and a showdown between the antagonist and protagonist is definitely present, but is totally unconventional, and does not actually drive the film along. And Wikus does not do off Kobus in the end, but his new 'protectors'- his 'fellow' prawns, do that for him- a way for the director to make a point that Wikus is now accepted- and protected- by the prawns. Again, my criticism of the showdown was not an insistance, but a suggestion. There is absolutely nothing baseless about criticising the American setting. Maybe one needs to be non-American to see the utter absurdity of almost every single alien visitation film ever being set in the US, I dunno.
Ok, no offense Yorick- but humanesque aliens are the final straw in me saying that I think a film idea SUCKS. In fact, I think it sucks so much, that I vow not only to never see it- not in a cinema, not on TV, and god forbid, not on an illegal DVD/download, but that I will also vow to make my very own film, that is nothing your film is, and everything your film is not. That is all. Edited by T.Neo, Feb 24 2011, 06:47 PM.
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| Yorick | Feb 24 2011, 07:26 PM Post #73 |
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Use your suspension of disbelef. First love is a part of any good coming of age story and it gives him a better reason to want to say on Earth.
Because most are produced by, filmed in and are for Americans. Edited by Yorick, Feb 24 2011, 07:27 PM.
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| Jasonguppy | Feb 24 2011, 07:29 PM Post #74 |
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My situationcounters why he would logically fall in love. |
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| Zoroaster | Feb 24 2011, 09:00 PM Post #75 |
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there must be a zillion potential scripts out there, with strange fish out of water boy (alien, werewolf, vampire) meets girl - sounds like the sort of script a bunch of people in a room would hash out WHILE or just before the movies is being shot, and it's already got a name and a cast... sounds half baked - sorry... to set yourself apart, from the zillions - plan something ENTIRELY original - and let Hollywood bastardize it with love interests etc (e.g. like Solaris, both the 1972 Russian and the 2000s with George Clooney)... I prefer movies with unique concepts and ideas, with three dimensional characters, preferably with unknown cast members - I HATE STAR VEHICLES! And "real" dialog... District 9 is brilliant, hits all the buttons for me - unusual setting, unusual premise, unknown cast (well unknown outside Seth Efrica), and it was so good, my sense of disbelief over "hybridisation" or "cell grafting" was completely suspended. You don't always need a love interest - one of my favourite Sci-Fi movies is Alien (the very first one) - there's no sex, not really even any sexual tension (apart from me seeing a young Sigourney wondering around in skimpy panties - and she's still sexy [but she wan't in Avatar]) - just a sense of isolation and terror. |
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