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| The official cliche list; What should we try and avoid perhaps? | |
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| macgobhain | Feb 18 2011, 11:43 PM Post #121 |
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oh and DorianGray i don't know where u got that info but pictures of my great-grandpa and his little friends when he was 15 in 1911 tell me otherwise... besides, check out photos of famous baseball players in the shower taken in the 19010s and 20s (apparently reporters were allowed to interview in the locker room back then) and you'll see.... The reason most classical, medieval, and renaissance depictions of male nudity are with small cazzini is because that was considered attractive back then. Big ones were more for comedy than sex appeal and ppl thought they were hilarious and a symbol of being disfigured... It's funny how times change, isn't it? Kinda like in the olden days they preferred women to be pale and fat. If she was pale that meant she was rich enough that she didn't have to go outside and work, and if she was fat then she was well fed and of higher status... Something to do with ppl being desperately poor i guess... |
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| zande-147 | Feb 19 2011, 02:21 AM Post #122 |
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One cliche that really bugs me is having animals in alternate evolution project correspond exactly to the ones that exist in the real world. think about the spec project, and how they tried to model their dinosaurs to be exactly like the animals we already have, in the same geographic locations. For instance, they wipe out the sauropods in south america so that they can have them play perfect elephant and hippo analogues in africa and asia. they even take as far as coloring the raptors exactly like the cats they fill the niche for. And they ruin the tyrannosaurids by shrinking some of them and giving them fur to make them more mammal like. If the dinosaurs survived the K-T they wouldnt evolve into dinosaur versions of todays mammals. |
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| T.Neo | Feb 19 2011, 06:46 AM Post #123 |
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I dinosaurs survived they'd evolve into dinosaur versions of today's... dinosaurs. They already were roughly analogous to various niches of today... but I agree, trying to replicate modern fauna with dinosaurs is taking it too far. I like the fact, though that tyrannosaurs adapted to colder climates (admit it, growing filaments in cold climates is the only way you'll survive, really), and elsewhere abeliasaurs predominate... I don't know if tyrannosaurs had traits that would allow them to outcompete abeliasaurs once the great interchanges took place. Edited by T.Neo, Feb 19 2011, 07:05 AM.
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| Holben | Feb 19 2011, 08:23 AM Post #124 |
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Well i'm fairly sure my consciousness is the same as that from when i last fell asleep, but i can't prove it... Anyway, your brain is still active while asleep. Dreams, memory consolidation, etc... ever had a lucid dream? You can think normally while in it. And as for restarting brain activity, perhaps it is a different consciousness afterwards. I don't know! Mobile platforms, with loudsepakers, sensors and all that? You could do a Geth
So use a planet. It comes with a free atmosphere for radiation shielding, if you choose the right one!
But will they be in the news? Hm. I'll try, but i can't make promises! ![]() What does that involve? ![]() I myself base assumptions on science, and use it as fact. But i don't have faith in it. I'm sure it was that our world is the fifth one to be created, and each has been destroyed in a different way. The second, for example, was flooded and the people there became fish which survive till today, so the actual earth wouldn't be destroyed. I like pale women. |
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Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea. "It is the old wound my king. It has never healed." | |
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| Space Gorilla | Feb 19 2011, 09:08 AM Post #125 |
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@ Holben & T.Neo You know, I'm really not in the mood to argue this, because I might end up with a warning by the time I'm done arguing. Screw what I said about the Moon and Orion's Arm. One can't even use certain examples to express an opinion and not get crucified alive for using said examples. Enjoy winning your end of the argument. Edited by Space Gorilla, Feb 19 2011, 09:09 AM.
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| Rick Raptor | Feb 19 2011, 12:03 PM Post #126 |
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I agree about taking it so far the dinosaurs even have the same colour patterns as their analogues. But there is a tyrannosaur known with proto-feathers (Dilong paradoxus from China) so having "furry" (note it is not fur as in mammals, but hair-like proto-feathers) tyrannosauroids is not a problem. And you probably can´t avoid dinosaurs taking the niche of large herbivores like elephants and giraffes or taking the niches of large predators like tigers and lions. But they wouldn´t have to end up with the same colour pattern. |
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| bloom_boi | Feb 19 2011, 12:27 PM Post #127 |
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"You shall perish, whatever you do! If you are taken with arms in your hands, death! If you beg for mercy, death! Whichever way you turn, right, left, back, forward, up, down, death! You are not merely outside the law, you are outside humanity. Neither age nor sex shall save you and yours. You shall die, but first you shall taste the agony of your wife, your sister, your sons and daughters, even those in the cradle! Before your eyes the wounded man shall be taken out of the ambulance and hacked with bayonets or knocked down with the butt end of a rifle. He shall be dragged living by his broken leg or bleeding arm and flung like a suffering, groaning bundle of refuse into the gutter. Death! Death! Death!" | |
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| T.Neo | Feb 19 2011, 12:34 PM Post #128 |
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That is true... you can even think normally in a normal dream, you're just not aware that you're dreaming. It's really interesting, because in most of my dreams I know I'm dreaming, but I'm not lucid... I've only become lucid one or two times, it feels really, really weird. And awesome.
Not really the same as being in, y'know, a real body... it'd almost like you'd be disabled. How do robots have sex? Or taste really good food? Or feel the sand through their toes? They probably won't even have toes! Being able to download yourself into ASIMO or a Mars Rover kinda sucks. If I want to operate a Mars rover I get within a practical range and use a radio link, a video feed and a joystick.
Yeah! Except, the "right ones" are pretty rare, and a sizable planet can't really hold that many people unless it's some disturbing world-city, and those have problems with waste heat. Planets are actually pretty bad for their livable area to mass ratio... most of the mass of the Earth is magma or iron-nickel at thousands of degrees. That doesn't mean they're not heavily important- of course they are, but they should be pristine reserves, not galactic suburbs. A planet is the best kind of space habitat, because it most closely resembles a... planet. Still, you can already build huge rotating habitats that have more surface area for less mass, and they don't have to be nearly as big to generate the same amount of acceleration. Yes, centripetal acceleration is different to real gravity, but actually the bigger you make the colony, the closer it simulates gravity. I wonder if it would be possible to support a supramundane shell via the atmospheric pressure of the planet below... I'd imagine the force involved on the structure would be pretty intense anyway... an interesting calculation can be done by dividing the force of the shell bearing down on the planet, by the area of the shell, and then comparing the pressure to the compressive strengths of various known materials. It might also be possible to build a shell suspended by buyoncy, but on a gas giant this is pretty difficult since gas giants are made up of the lightest gases (hydrogen and helium). Maybe it would be more feasible on uninhabitable super-Earths, for example. Gliese 581 c comes to mind. If you can get enough materials, it can work... problem is the thing might mass quite a bit (I did a calculation for a Jupiter-encompassing shell, and it ended up massing a considerable fraction of a planet), and that mass might not be available... either way, available resources in the atmosphere can certainly help. With a supply of carbon and hydrogen, you can make plastics... with carbon you can also make graphene, nanotubes or diamond. If you somehow know how to make those things on a massive scale. Such an approach might be very dangerous though... if a failure occurs, not only the lives of thousands could be at risk, not the lives of millions, not billions, but potentially those of trillions of people. Edited by T.Neo, Feb 19 2011, 01:23 PM.
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| Holben | Feb 19 2011, 02:34 PM Post #129 |
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Oh yes, yes it is awesome. I've probably had more lucid dreams than i think, but since we forget 99% of them i don't know the figures. Have you tried using any of the tactics for encouraging them? I haven't, but... We could make them so they did! ![]() A robot identical to a human in sense and appearance? Hopefully, your population won't be increasing very much if you're at that level of development, so the space required shouldn't be too high. Colonies under the ground? How many people will we have? ![]() And there's always a chance of failure or disaster! |
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Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea. "It is the old wound my king. It has never healed." | |
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| dialforthedevil | Feb 19 2011, 02:56 PM Post #130 |
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Also what bugs me is that one group is always forgotten... pachycephlasaurs! Why do we never see them!?! |
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| T.Neo | Feb 19 2011, 04:01 PM Post #131 |
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I have... not much success, probably should have tried harder.
You won't be able to recreate the human experience entirely, and wiring everything together would be a problem. Rather, make an actual human body. Or better still, keep the original one alive.
Well yes, population will hopefully be stable, the question is rather the size of the population. A large population is still a large population. Colonies under the ground won't work very well, they'll need artificial light, digging them out will be problematic, and they have to support all that dirt/rock/stuff above them. Ocean colonisation would be better, but also has its problems and is not without ecological impact.
Depends on your population density. Even if it were modest, you could still have billions of people on a shell around a super-Earth. I certainly wouldn't build such a humongous structure to leave it mostly empty. Of course there is a chance of failure or disaster, but the key is to minimise it, and ensure that when/if it does happen, to minimise the damage to the least that is utterly possible. The deaths of billions of people is NOT excusable. |
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| Holben | Feb 19 2011, 04:06 PM Post #132 |
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I suppose so. Brain transplant, do you mean? Or just memory and consciousness area transplant... hmm. Keeping people alive doesn't always work. ![]() Cities need artificial light too, and they're fine. Arctic research stations? SPend six months usign artificial light. UV could be added, to allow vitamin D creation, or perhaps pills... Nuclear power. Anyway, the colony doesn't have do be that big, digging isn't exactly beyong our means now, and we can leave support pillars of rock. I'd never have guessed. Some people want that, though! |
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Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea. "It is the old wound my king. It has never healed." | |
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| bloom_boi | Feb 19 2011, 04:26 PM Post #133 |
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"You shall perish, whatever you do! If you are taken with arms in your hands, death! If you beg for mercy, death! Whichever way you turn, right, left, back, forward, up, down, death! You are not merely outside the law, you are outside humanity. Neither age nor sex shall save you and yours. You shall die, but first you shall taste the agony of your wife, your sister, your sons and daughters, even those in the cradle! Before your eyes the wounded man shall be taken out of the ambulance and hacked with bayonets or knocked down with the butt end of a rifle. He shall be dragged living by his broken leg or bleeding arm and flung like a suffering, groaning bundle of refuse into the gutter. Death! Death! Death!" | |
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| Scrublord | Feb 19 2011, 04:52 PM Post #134 |
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Probably because we want to escape the unfortunate stigma of the last speculative biologist who DID use them (I'm looking at you, Dougal Dixon). Which brings me to another cliche I hate: assuming that had the dinosaurs not died out they would have evolved more inventive body styles over the course of just 65 million years than they did over the previous 226 million years. Snake-dinosaurs, human-dinosaurs, my foot! |
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| bloom_boi | Feb 19 2011, 04:55 PM Post #135 |
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....I never thought of that..... They always say "65my is a long time" but of course, so is 220my... |
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"You shall perish, whatever you do! If you are taken with arms in your hands, death! If you beg for mercy, death! Whichever way you turn, right, left, back, forward, up, down, death! You are not merely outside the law, you are outside humanity. Neither age nor sex shall save you and yours. You shall die, but first you shall taste the agony of your wife, your sister, your sons and daughters, even those in the cradle! Before your eyes the wounded man shall be taken out of the ambulance and hacked with bayonets or knocked down with the butt end of a rifle. He shall be dragged living by his broken leg or bleeding arm and flung like a suffering, groaning bundle of refuse into the gutter. Death! Death! Death!" | |
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