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The official cliche list; What should we try and avoid perhaps?
Topic Started: Jan 21 2011, 12:18 PM (6,362 Views)
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Feb 15 2011, 03:52 PM
There are far more uninhabitable planets than there are habitable planets. Terraforming is a method by which those uninhabitable planets can be made habitable, and thus, can be inhabited.

Terraforming may be cliche, but that's only because it makes sense.
Yes.
Though, is it a cliche or an often used device?

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"Gigantic spaceships" that people live in- i.e. space colonies (they're more or less stationary as they only have an ability for stationkeeping and don't actually go anywhere other than their own orbit) are possible, but they have their own problems and it's not as simple as "big spaseship with milliuns of people lulz".
'I luv big spaseships lulz they give me coolz'
They need to have protection from radiation, and artificial 'gravity' among others.
It's hard.
And, why would you build one for another species than your own or one which can aid your progression?
Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

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The artificial solar system or spaceship are suppously a giant structure that will be form by humans or another intelligent species when the sun start to die.I think I have seen this in a documentary.Her you can find some artificial planets:
http://www.orionsarm.com/xcms.php?r=oaeg-view-article&egart_uid=45f9918702a95
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Orion's Arm? That isn't scientific!
Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

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Well is very interesting and have some nice ideas for intelligent extraterrestrial life that aren't humanoids.
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Though, is it a cliche or an often used device?


I really don't know, I'd tend to go toward the latter.

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'I luv big spaseships lulz they give me coolz'


Yes Holben. :rolleyes:

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They need to have protection from radiation, and artificial 'gravity' among others.
It's hard.


But it is possible- there have been in-depth studies, and one expert even suggested that such structures would be in construction by the 1990s!

The technology is more-or-less here today. The infrastructure is not, not by a long shot.

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And, why would you build one for another species than your own or one which can aid your progression?


I don't really know what you're trying to say... could you rephrase?

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Orion's Arm? That isn't scientific!


Indeed, but it does have some interesting-yet-farfetched ideas. A lot of it is rubbish, I once explained it as "Space Opera shoehorned into Hard SF and overdosed on transhumanism".

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Well is very interesting and have some nice ideas for intelligent extraterrestrial life that aren't humanoids.


To be honest I find the extraterrestrial organisms in Orion's Arm to be quite xenocentric, the sophonts are an effort to be "alien" and not much else- for this example I give the ice crab people things, the living blobs they 'uplifted', and the treelike thing-birdlike thing hybrid.

The latter has me utterly confused. Seriously? <_<

What you linked to were not artificial planets, but rather extremely speculative space habitats. And also not "artificial solar systems".
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The artificial solarsystem or spaceship will be like the sphere from prey:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prey-Sphere.png

I call it spaceship or solar system because I dont kinow how to call it.
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It's certainly a spacecraft, but I wouldn't regard it as being anywhere near plausible...
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Orion's Arm? That isn't scientific!


Oh really?

At all ...? :glare:

How so?

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"Gigantic spaceships" that people live in- i.e. space colonies (they're more or less stationary as they only have an ability for stationkeeping and don't actually go anywhere other than their own orbit) are possible, but they have their own problems and it's not as simple as "big spaseship with milliuns of people lulz" 'I luv big spaseships lulz they give me coolz'
They need to have protection from radiation, and artificial 'gravity' among others.
It's hard.
And, why would you build one for another species than your own or one which can aid your progression?


I would, and I am human.

I don't see why other ET cultures wouldn't consider that. Or even set a goal of doing that everywhere they can.

The Moon has some of the weirdest characteristics than any other object we have observed so far in the (to us) known universe, and lookie here, its our first neighbor :P . Some crazy speculations lately that it might be an artificial construct, by some extraterrestrial intelligence :P. If it was a bit more "normal" I would have considered it quite ludicruous, but I dunno lol ...

If one day, somehow, that theory gets proven correct (I'm saying this for the sake of the argument only) we would have a perfect real example of an artificial planet/satelite.

Don't get me started on Nibiru XD , and why its plausible.
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Feb 15 2011, 04:47 PM
But it is possible- there have been in-depth studies, and one expert even suggested that such structures would be in construction by the 1990s!

The technology is more-or-less here today. The infrastructure is not, not by a long shot.
What became of that?
Well, we've protoyped magnetic shields which repel solar wind and big thick armour. But can we afford to send them up?

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I don't really know what you're trying to say... could you rephrase?
People do things which help them, or others of their kind, yes?
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Oh really?

At all ...? :glare:

How so?
See T. Neo's post!

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The Moon has some of the weirdest characteristics than any other object we have observed so far in the (to us) known universe, and lookie here, its our first neighbor :P . Some crazy speculations lately that it might be an artificial construct, by some extraterrestrial intelligence :P. If it was a bit more "normal" I would have considered it quite ludicruous, but I dunno lol ...
That's ridiculous. :P
Artificial? When we have such a good model?
And weirdest charcateristics? I'd say Earth, Mars, Io have more.

Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

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T.Neo:It's certainly a spacecraft, but I wouldn't regard it as being anywhere near plausible...

Why?

I have seen that model in countless of documentaryin wich astrobiologist have speculate about that.They say that something like this is possible,but only in a time of great crissis like when there star is about to die.
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couple of cliches I hate is "space" or alien DNA + alien computer systems

I don't see how it can be "DNA" - as we know it - if it's from some alien extra-terrestrial organism.

And even if it has the EXACT same chemical formula as DNA, none of the encoding sequences would match any earth sequences...

I HATED it in ID4 when Jeff Goldblum used his 16/32 bit Mac to hack into the Alien system (using what? WiFi? did the aliens have open ports listening for unencrypted traffic [appletalk? ethernet? tcp/ip? ipv6?] on the 2.4 Ghz spectrum?) Were their systems binary compatible with the data he was using to infect their computer system?
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it's a full moon tonight, i should be out partying....

anyways why exactly wouldn't something on another planet have the same chemical formula and encoding sequences as DNA on earth?

I mean it probly wouldn't because it's another planet, but still, no one knows this for sure because none of us have ever been to another planet.

And I did think that was kind of dumb in Independence Day, but I still like the movie...

God that moon is beautiful. I can see it right out my window while I'm typing....
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See T. Neo's post!

That's ridiculous. :P
Artificial? When we have such a good model?
And weirdest charcateristics? I'd say Earth, Mars, Io have more.


Concerning Orion's Arm, a lot of it is pure speculation and fantasy disguised as science, I know. But a lot of things are probable, if not possible. Transhumanism, even remotely close to what is described there is a huge possibility.

Not sure what else was wrong with it. They did lack alien species. Humans and their subspecies literally rule third of the galaxy and only a handful of alien species were extant around that area.

But other that that, I really don't see much wrong with it. It is/was an interesting project.

As per the Moon being artificial, there are even people in astronomy who hint this. Its not something i have come up with nor necessarily believe in. I just said it in the context of artificial structures that could serve as space habitats for civilizations.
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Sorry for the religous thing, I apologize, so please don't banish me for eternity. ;)

Anyway I agree with macgobhain. Why do we denounce that there can't be genetically high convergence with Earth in Alien Planets? It isn't impossible... (I guess that it doesn't have any point of being a xenobiology if there is heavy convergence, just place it in Alternative Evolution)....

The way I see it, the most bizarre project is Earth and Us.
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High convergence is different form being identical.
And if the clock was run backwards, to quote Stephen Jay Gould, then replayed, things woulkd turn out differently due to the randomness of mutation.

Orionite on the Moon- some people in astronomy have posited this seriously? Who? I'm worried for their ability to be astronomers.

Oh, and Earth isn't a project.

I also disagree about life needing a meaning. When there are no sapients, perpetuation works. When there are, you have a bit more freedom to make your own.
Imagination, dammit!

Even if the formula is different, the same traits can and some will arise. Eyes probably, for example.



Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

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