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Humans turning into robots
Topic Started: Nov 25 2010, 02:04 PM (4,292 Views)
Nimor
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I bet that most of you have seen that the way technology is going, people will start replacing lost hands or legs with robotic ones. What do you think about this?
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Indeed.

At that scale biological and mechanical start to blur even, so...
A hard mathematical figure provides a sort of enlightenment to one's understanding of an idea that is never matched by mere guesswork.
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Life can only weather the years through reproducing, yet metal stands untarnished! (unless it rusts or whatever.) metal has greater strength... though carbon nanomachines are actually really good too.
Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

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They certainly will. In terms of strength, longevity, processing power...
Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

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Really? My computer can already do math far better than I can, and we have machines that can travel hundreds of times faster than humans.

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Life can only weather the years through reproducing, yet metal stands untarnished! (unless it rusts or whatever.) metal has greater strength... though carbon nanomachines are actually really good too.


You sure about that?

I don't doubt life's durability on that scale... I do doubt your claim that clanking micromachines are indestructable. :P
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Indestructible is a whole new scale, Mr. Neo. Machines can stand for thousands of years, which is already better.
Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

"It is the old wound my king. It has never healed."
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Those machines can't do jack crap without humans to control them. Humans made machines their bitch along time ago.
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Machines can be made self-sufficient.
Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

"It is the old wound my king. It has never healed."
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Machines can't heal or self repair. I really doubt we are going to see anything like the Asurans or replicators any time soon.

And on a cellular level life can be basically immortal. Machines corrode or get jammed up in the end.
Edited by lamna, Nov 29 2010, 03:53 PM.
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Some might find this enlightening - I did. Its from Engines of Creation. Here are some excerpts but you can read the whole paper online for free. I encourage it!

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I know its a bit wordy for a discussion but this is interesting

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LOL, sorry about that...

Topic Title: Humans turning into Robots
To me a robot is a remote operated mechanical device.
The operator can be human via an interface or a computer program running.

Humans have already become robots in a sense. Aside from the fact that the masses are controlled by others we actually have devices that are remote operated mechanical constructs. Giving us virtual control over remote environments. Pop a camera onto a remote control car and you can see where your body cannot go.

Will humans adopt mechanical bodies over organic ones?
I dunno. Cybernetics is definitely a human curiosity because the concept has been explored. Perhaps some will chose this route. I doubt all humans will agree to give up their organic bodies, but anything could happen.

Which is better, Organic or Mechanical?
Both have their merits and both have their downfalls. Nanotechnology will open both biology and mechanical construction. I think they will work hand in hand. We are already trying to find a way to marry mechanical and electronic devices to organic structures. Perhaps in the future we will be mechanical organic things at the molecular level. Incorporating the best of both worlds into a new creation. Perhaps somewhere in the Universe this is old technology. Perhaps we will be the creatures that invent it?

As Drexler writes, What if the technology to change the Earth becomes available. Reversing pollution and recovering ecology at will. Advancements in microbiology stops cell destruction or allows instantaneous cell repair. Nanotechnology allows metals to be bonded to organics creating a biological body that has the virtues of metal and the pliability of skin.

I think the real question will be, are we still human as in the capacity for organized thoughts and feelings. The spark of intelligence that sets us apart from the rest of the animal kingdom. That's what we need to preserve. Living for eternity as a mechanical bull is not very enticing. No matter what we become - we still want to be human. Homo Sapient-Sapient is an animal. Human is an awareness we do not share with any other life on this planet. To make a Human into a robot we must first figure out what particles make us Human. Then we must replicate those particles in the correct relations to create the Human entity. Perhaps the Human in us is not a bunch of particles or molecules but a force. Perhaps it is a force that exists in a purer form in the Universe. Sagan said we are the Universe trying to understand itself. Perhaps we are just one biological construct where the force prevails? Perhaps the Universe is trying out many other constructs with the same basic force. Being human could just be being the Universe. Perhaps the Human Being that is the Universe has the function of creating better constructs to better understand itself. LOL - dang I am tired!
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Here is a tidbit on Human intelligence from Holtz's Human Knowledge.net
Evolution of Hominid Intelligence
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Here is more http://humanknowledge.net/
Essence of Mind
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The scientific method consists of observation and measurement, induction of hypotheses and deduction of consequences, experimental or empirical testing of those consequences, reproducibility of results, and competition for agreement in the marketplace of ideas.
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Holben
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Sure machines can self repair, if you programme them to be able to Lamna. Why wouldn't they?

Cells gum up and go kppppllllluuuuuh long before a similiarly sized machine.
Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

"It is the old wound my king. It has never healed."
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By "kppppllllluuuuuh" do you mean replicate themselves indefinitely?
Oh Fine.

Oh hi you! Why don't you go check out the finery that is SGP??

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