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| [Member Project] Zarathustra; A moon of Hormizd a gas giant planet of Ahura Mazda yellow dwarf | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 17 2010, 07:47 PM (7,241 Views) | |
| Zoroaster | Nov 17 2010, 07:47 PM Post #1 |
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x light years away - a star called Ahura Mazda (after the Zoroastrian "deity") - don't ask me too much about the star - because I haven't got that far, or worked out the dynamics of this system. Life evolved once in the system, on the moon Zarathustra, and somehow spread to the other two moons of the planet Hormizd. At the cellular level, life on all three bodies (the 3 moons of Hormizd - Zarathustra, Cyrus and Darius) is very similar - being spawned from cryptobiotic organisms from the moon Zarathustra. On Zarathustra, "sapience" evolved twice - once in a "squishy" radially symmetric beastie, and hundreds of millions of years later in a "segmented" vertebrate. The squishy "star-slugs" are autotrophs AND heterotrophs. The segmented vertebrates are voracious predators. During a cooler period in Pytheas' history, polar ice caps formed, and this "calmed" the waters, complex floating plants evolved, eventually evolving into giant mats of vegetation and vast floating ecosystems. The "star-slugs" are deep sea creatures, the segmented vertebrate sentients generally rely on the floating vegetetable mat ecosystems. On Cyrus, "sapience" evolved in a group of hexapod "vertebrates", there are two species, obviously from a shared ancestor, but they have very different lifestyles, and are unable to hybridize. Outwardly they look like mammals, with a "fur" covering. They look like centaurs, as the front pair of limbs have moved up to become a pair of arms. The bauplan of these vertebrates is the front "torso" contains the digestive system, the rear "abdomen" behind the middle pair of legs, contains the respiratory/circulatory system. These sentients are fairly static. Species 1 is a "gardener/farmer" - they husband plants to grow their "insect" food upon, and have lived like this for several million years, with no signs of advancement. Species 2 are piscivorous, and organised fisher-folk, both at "sea", and in extensive inland river systems and large lakes. There's no intelligent life on Darius. Darius is much drier than either Cyrus or Zarathustra, and cooler. The "genetic" mechanisms are not DNA, but something alike or akin to DNA - but naturally completely incompatible. Humans colonists eventually arrive on all three bodies. On Zarathustra they are at the mercy of both autochtonous sentient species. The reverse is true on Cyrus, they overwhelm the locals. The catch is that animal matter and the proteins used by life on all three bodies are toxic to humans, and produce an effect similar to prions (mad cow disease and kuru) on humans if they ingest meat from animals on all 3 bodies. To the locals, i.e. carnivorous locals, human settlers and their livestock don't even smell like "food". The human colonists arrive in waves of expeditions sponsored by different earth corporates, nations and leagues (e.g. the EU). They and their livestock have been GE, but even so, they must utilize artificial enzymes (and recycle them) in order to digest - there being no compatible "bacteria" on any of the 3 bodies. In effect, the humans must eat their own pooh to recycle the enzymes they need for digestion. "Plants" - however, produce carbohydrates that look exactly like earth ones, and humans and terran livestock can eat native plant matter with impunity (just the problem of no gut bacteria again). One of the effects of this is that when humans die, they don't rot, they dessicate... The narrative will start about 10,000 years after humans settled the moon Cyrus, humans have gone through a "dark" age, and emerged into Nation states generally along the lines of what their sponsoring enterprise was, e.g. national, or companies. Attached pic is the basic "bauplan" of the sapients on Cyrus. By sapient I mean they are self aware, intelligent, but they'd probably never evolve beyond the stone-age, and would never make great philosophers... they don't have "religion" or a belief system, apart from believing that bodies of water are living things in their own right....
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| Dark-Matter | Nov 17 2010, 07:56 PM Post #2 |
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Great project,but you should put another image the image wasen't very clear but i get the idea of the sentient lifeforme. |
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| Dragon wasp | Nov 17 2010, 10:43 PM Post #3 |
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wow, awesome stuff here! |
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| Zoroaster | Nov 18 2010, 12:19 AM Post #4 |
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on the watery "giant" (it's not as big as Neptune or Uranus) Pytheas, the two "intelligent" life forms : S1 = the star slug. they evolved from "animals" that can photosynthesize near the water's surface with the atmosphere, they can also respire and take food by eating plant matter and "phytoplankton" (when I put things in quotes, I am usually referring to the ecological equivalent) - they can "metabolize" day and night. Superficially, if one of them was "standing" in front of you as per attached picture, you'd say "penguin", but you'd be wrong.... they're not very "stable" organisms out of water. They have one eye, this eye was in the middle of their "back" on their ancestors. They form innumerable "castes" in their society, most of which are self-less automatons programmed or trained to perform a certain function. They have 5 mouths/manipulators. The "vent" in the middle of their underbelly is their anus and gill outlet. They have five gills on their "backs", with the sentient species, one of these 5 gill "intakes" is now above their top "beak" manipulator and below their eye. S2.jpg is the predatory intelligent species which inhabit the floating islands/landmasses of vegetation. They are amphibious, although when respiring underwater, their metabolism is slowed down. They aren't very inventive - whatever hi-tech stuff they have has been "cannibalised" off the star-slugs - they can fix it, even reproduce it, but generally have no understanding of "how it works". Note about the anatomy of the segmented vertebrates - I call them arthro-chordates, and there are many other aquatic and "terrestrial" members of this order/family. The bauplan is "head segment" (mouth, eyes other sensory organs) - 2 pairs of legs/arms, 2 body "segments", then 2 pairs of limbs, then a sort of atrophied "tail". The bottom 2 pairs of limbs in the picture are con-joined - at will the creatures can "rip" apart the tenuous "glue" and become quadrupeds, but more more like a 4 legged spider than what we'd be familiar with in a vertebrate tetrapod. One pair of this sentient species front "legs" have become mouth parts, a common adaptation in the arthro-chordates. -------------------------------------------------------- Please forgive the quality of the pictures - will refine them some more later on... I have recently made the permanent move from Windows to Linux - and still finding my way around graphics apps. Not sure how I'll cope without Corel Draw - but will stick with it... -------------------------------------------------------- P.S. I accidentally did a "report" to Dragon wasp's reply, instead of a reply to the whole thread/topic - it was an accident - sorry admins! and sorry Dragonwasp....
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| Dragon wasp | Nov 18 2010, 06:19 PM Post #5 |
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HEHEHE... thats funny, its okay! |
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| Zoroaster | Dec 7 2010, 10:35 AM Post #6 |
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November 19 was a pretty shitty day for me, I was in Queensland, and it wasn't just the Cane Toads getting me down (the fecund bastards were everywhere) - I lost my mobile phone in the tropical rain, and almost picked up a bufus marinarus instead of my phone in the darkness!.... Anyway - Pytheas is now Zarathustra, and Timaios is now Cyrus... Dickyarchus is now Darius... the names may change, but the guilty won't be protected... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The automated "scouting" and monitoring missions to that part of our galaxy (towards Ahura Mazda a G2V star - just to be boring) were Indian Mumbai based scientists of Parsee background. Some 12-15,0000 years later we have the current situation on Zarathustra (sparse human settlement) and Cyrus (extensive human settlement). Zarathustra's other moon, Darius is pretty much untouched by human colonists. It's the same story as before (when I called it Pytheas), the one semi-habitable planet in the habitable zone of this solar-system (the liquid watery "giant" Zarathustra) managed to spawn life on other celestial bodies (its large moons) - due to collisions with errant celestial bodies (I still need help with the mathematics of mass, density and gravity) - ice tolerant organisms (seeds, larva, eggs, organisms in "stasis") were deposited on Cyrus and Darius via cosmic meteorite / comet / fragment collisions whilst Zarathustra was in a "cold" spell, almost a watery snowball planet apart from its equatorial regions facing Ahura Mazda. Zarathustra's biomes are easy to describe, as there isn't much variation : 1. Seafloor - up to 25 kilometres below sea level - either scavenge falling organic matter - or - based on chemo-trophic systems about hydrothermal vents - or chemical "sinks" - e.g. sinks of sulphur or ammonia. 2. Intermediate - i.e. deep sea, below where light penetrates - mostly scavengers 3. Pelagic - based upon "phytoplanktonic" ecosystems in open ocean. 4. "terrestrial" - rely on floating vegetation. ------ one proviso with Zarathustro - at the geographic point where it is tidally locked with its giant moon Cyrus, there is MUCH more seafloor geo-thermal activity, and the tip of volcanos is only 4 kilometres below sealevel - not enough to flood the ocean with sodium, but enough to "spread the love"...  Zarathustra's moon Cyrus Biomes are much more complex : Cyrus has two "visible" continents, made up of 4 tectonic plates (it currrently has 7 tectonic plates, three of them are sub-sea). Its "Northern" hemisphere plates meet "east/west" to form a South North South mountain chain (it crosses the north pole) that faces Zarathustra - which is nicely symmetrical, but in a seemingly random universe, why wouldn't this ever be the case? The tidal pull of Zarathustra does cause some buckling of Cyrus' crust anyway. The two plates that make up the southern continent meet North South, or "zero/zero" close to the moon's "South Pole" - this moutain chain traverses East West across the South Pole. The Moutain chain on the North continent presents a "rain" shadow on its western flanks (don't ask me how to explain, but most weather travels towards the West in the northern hemisphere). The southern continent is much flatter (except for a mountain range at the poles), and is much wetter, and generally warmer. About 80 million years earlier, a cosmic cataclysm occurred which destroyed much of the life on Cyrus, especially on the Northern continent, which was basically "dry frozen" as it sat over the North Pole at the time. All "amphibious" vertebrate organisms perished, however in the South of the Northern Continent a few successful opportunists evolved amniotism, and managed to breed on land. They survived, along with some invertebrates which could mutate successful adaptions more quickly. It was either prosper or perish, one branch of the hexapod amniotes after 20 million years, became endothermic, and had keratinous furry layers of insulation. The ectoothermic (Cyrus hexapod "reptiles") survived in the semi-parched regions to the South of North continent as insectivorous "scurriers" crevice dwellers and niche generalists. From 60,000,000 to the present the North continental plates have been moving south... "Amphibians" survived on the southern continent - which has always been warmer and wetter than the North, their breeding strategies in the south generally out-compete Northern invaders - they've never needed "amniotism" - but their intolerance of salt-water means they will probably never re-colonise the North continent. South continent amphibians (they are only "amphibians" because they have a fresh-water aquatic larval stage) took to the air well before any North continent "johnny come lately" thought of it... There are two major families of aerial amphibians, one is migratory, adults have methods of preventing water loss, and building mud-puddles for raising and feeding their "larvae"... To Be Continued (is my post too big to allow image attachments?) ------------------------------------------ No! my biome map was bigger than 200K! The darkened oval area over the centre is where there's a "daily" eclipse from Ahura Mazda....
Edited by Zoroaster, Dec 21 2010, 09:34 PM.
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| Zoroaster | Dec 7 2010, 12:02 PM Post #7 |
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Still not divorced myself from Coreldraw.... Using it at work, and via Oracle Virtualbox at home.... Need it for mapping... plans to migrate to Inkscape ... |
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| Holbenilord | Dec 7 2010, 12:30 PM Post #8 |
amidst the muffled, maddening beating of vile drums and the thin, monotonous whine of accursed flutes
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Sorry, nitpick- if you mean human-liek intelligence, sapient is a bgetter word than sentient. Sentience is the position of being aware of one's body and surroundings, like for example a cockroach. Sapience defines a being capable of, for example, precognition.
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| Zoroaster | Dec 14 2010, 06:57 AM Post #9 |
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Rundown of the star system : Ahura Mazda - G2V star Inner Planets: 1 - Ardashir - solid rock planet - too close to its star to consider life as we know it - no moons. 2 - Shapur - large rocky solid planet, fairly massive - archaeological evidence of visitation by sapient beings - no liquid water present on planet - no moons. 3 - Yazdegerd - large rocky solid planet, no atmosphere or water - has two moons 4 - Zarathustra - a watery "giant" about 6 x Eearth in size (??? - all this is open to change) - it has a series of icy water rings out to its Roche limit, its mass is only about 1.75 x Earth gravity (I keep changing this - I know) - has 4 satellites, the innermost, just outside their mutual Roche limit, is Cyrus, which is about the size of Venus, and has its own complex atmosphere - next is Darius, which also has an atmosphere, but a less protective magnetosphere. On almost the same orbital plane, almost opposite Darius, is Darius II, a barren rocky satellite about the size of Earth's moon. Beyond this - well outside any of Zarathustra's magnetic fields, is Xerxes, a barren lump of rock and ice about the size and mass of Ganymede. 5 - Narseh - a largish barren rocky planet - has 3 uninteresting satellites 6 - Bahram - an "icy" mini-giant not dissimilar to Zarathustra in size and mass and composition - no satellites. Inner "belt" of ice and rock lumps (similar to our asteroid belt) 7 - Boran - a "massive" gas giant, about 4 x Jupiter, with a vast network of rings - innumerable satellites 8 - Farrokhan - a gas giant, similar in size to Jupiter - has innumberable satellites 9 - Armarmidokht - a vast ICY giant - about the size of Neptune - no satellites worth mentioning... INTERSTELLAR SPACE AND COMETS
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| Zoroaster | Dec 14 2010, 08:07 AM Post #10 |
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And now a preliminary cladistic "list" Bear in mind, at the time that surveys of the Zarathustra system were undertaken by "humanity" - there was a political movement against using Latin and Greek in naming conventions - so Esperanto was adopted/co-opted - however, the Chinese objected that there was still a strong Indo-European influence on Esperanto - it was too late to change the cladistics, however actual species names (and sub-species) have an Esperanto "header" followed by a Simplified Chinese "suffix" multi-part name (some 13,000 years later, many of these are bastardized into local human's names for critters and plants)... Owing to the "foreign" or alien nature of the biology and method of inheritance used, scientists are unable to pinpoint which "kingdom" groups of single-celled organisms should belong to : ALL LIFE in the Ahura-Mazda System (concentrated on the planet Zarathustra and 2 of its satellites) gxermo - common to all three habitable "bodies"
cyrusgxerm - unique to Cyrus there are single celled auto-trophic organisms on Cyrus which all investigations show to be completely alien to those on Zarathustra (and descendants on Cyrus)and Darius. Here's the three major "kingdoms" of "life" : amazdabesto "true" animals sxuteblaverm (soft worms / slugs - usually aquatic) found on all three life sustaining bodies - proteins can be ingested/metabolised by Earth organisms without risk of protein folding and prion disease. artikaverm (articulated worms) - their proteins are almost universally toxic to Earth life, their skins, exoskeletons, armour, insulation, claws, hooves, beaks are made of sugars very similar to chitin. Sub-clades of artikaverm are serpentaverm and entomofagases (each of these have many sub-clades) hxitinoverm - "chitin" worms - the major sub-clade is skolopendro (has many sub-clades) - use a polymer very similar to "chitin" for hard body parts, claws, beaks, exo-skeltons, armour, insulation - and in the case of endo-skeletonous sub-clades, chitin re-inforced calcium-carbonate for internal support - proteins are the same as those of artikaverm - i.e. toxic to earth life... amazdabestoplanto animated plants, animals capable of photosynthesis - simple to complex multi-cellular organisms - only found on Zarathustra and Darius. Broken up into : asterolimaka and limakasxvebi amazdalegomo "proper" plants as we know them on Earth - this is not really "cladistic" - as intermediates and primitive forms are not shown here (yet) - but ultimately - ALL of them originate from ancestors that evolved on Zarathustra, and were spread to Cyrus and Darius. algoj - simple floating algaes buosxvebi - vascular fruit-bearing plants that form vast floating mats of vegetation on Zarathustra. pumikosxvebi - another branch of floating fruit bearing plants, manufacture "hard" foam, very similar to "pumice" to form more "flotation" supports to the vegetation mats on Zarathustra. aerosxvebi - parasitic plants that climb others, then raise hydrogen balloons to get higher than their hosts. korboarbo - "basket" trees, trunks are formed by a vast network of interlocking "lianas". floksofiliko - not dissimilar to ferns - mosses - intolerant of dessication... palmo - "leaves" look like monocot leaves - usually sprout from sub-soil rhizomes - form grasslands on Cyrus and Darius. sarki - broadleaf "weeds" - evolve into unique group of trees on Cyrus. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For further sub-clades - I have to copy my tomboy notes and paste into a word processor to format, as I just found out - Tomboy notes doesn't copy formatting outside of itself! Once a few more species are documented I will post some illustrations - so far species are : sub-sub...-sub-clades of entomofagases: starejosimio - "ground monkeys" - insectivore/omnivores ∘ mangxulofisxi jiaoren yufu - fisher "men" - clever fish eaters, catch and eat any organisms in water - using hooks and nets and spears ∘ mangxulocimo jiaoren yuanding - insect eating "men" - clever bug eaters, also eat some seeds and fruits - they are "gardeners" - they practise horticulture for the benefit of their "prey"... and at the same level : arbosimio - "tree monkeys" ∘ araneo zhiguo - "spider monkey" - they look more like spiders than Earth spider monkeys do - rain forests of east side of Cyrus North Continent and throughout tropical areas of Cyrus South Continent - insectivore / fructivore - and - sub-sub..-sub-clades of hxitinoverm : marasimio - "sea monkeys" ‣ marasimiovulgaris yibanfen - common sea monkey, found all over Zarathustra - amphibious - it or a close relative probably ancestral to brahxiurohomizi cong. ‣ brahxiurohomizi cong - "crab man - clever" - sapient predator on Zarathustra ‣ kvarkrurosxafo yang - four legged "sheep" - Darius ONLY, herbivores. Actually, their rear two legs have fused into a single pair, the front "arms" are a pair of front legs, and the "mouth-part" limbs have fused and become a "jaw" proper - they crop the short grasses and annuals that grow seasonally north of the tropics, in advance of the walking trees - they have a thick layer of silvery "chitin" hair/scales, that insulate them from the heat of summer, and the cold of sub-polar winters - among the few herbivorous animals in skolopendro "Phylum"... and in "amazdabestoplanto" kingdom/phylum : ‣ mondumolimaka - active "eusocial" starslugs (5 "armed") - Zarathustra only ∘ mondolimakavulgaro bai yan ping chang - common 5 armed starslug ∘ mondomolimakahomego bai yan ju ren - giant 5 pointed sea slug (larger than the "common") ∘ sagxalimaka zhe - sapient star slug ------------------------------------------------------- Will try and update tomorrow night - can't use zetaboards at work anymore, they took the Squid proxy off one of my Solaris UNIX boxes, and put it on some Cisco appliance out of my control and zetaboards AND dropbox are banned! fuckin' corporate nazis! 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| Zoroaster | Dec 14 2010, 09:21 AM Post #11 |
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And a brief synopsis of what's happened in the Zarathustra planetary system over the last billion years : 1000 MYA - ??? - not really "known" as there is no fossil record of life on Zarathustra! However it's theorised that complex multicellular life evolved on Zarathustra into the three modern groups, the amazdabesto, the amazdabestoplanto and amazdalegomo (with arguments between opposing schools of thought about how the gxermo and cyrusgxerm organisms fit into the picture). 700 MYA - Zarathustra went through a cold phase, roughly 70% of its surface was ice-bound - during this period, the first floating mats developed in the denser calmer waters in the equatorial regions... 650 MYA - a massive cosmic event shattered the ice-bound Zarathustra seas and spread ice/water with organic matter (micro-organisms and larvae/eggs, seeds/spores) of life to Darius and Cyrus. Cyrus already had organic primordial stew and single celled organisms. Primitive plants and sxuteblaverm groups spread to Darius and Cyrus. Cold tolerant Amazdabestoplanto spread to Darius. This formed the ice rings around Zarathustra that exist on the same plane as tidally locked Cyrus. 550 MYA - Zarathustra thaws as atmospheric carbon dioxide increases. 500 MYA - another massive cosmic event spreads more lifeforms (i.e. spores, seeds, cryptobiotic larvae) to Cyrus and Darius Life on Zarathustra is deep sea, pelagic, or "terrestrial" (i.e. inhabit and rely on gigantic islands of floating vegetation). Most life still relies on water to reproduce. Zarathustra water surface is VERY low in dissolved minerals (especially salt). Life on Cyrus is demarcated by the two semi-separate continents (they are sometimes joined by a narrow isthmus / mountain chain). The southern continent is mostly dominated by amphibians, it is much wetter and generally warmer. The northern continent is much drier and cooler, and dominated by felacerto (mammalian-like egg-layers) - their "reptilian" ovofaristo ancestors are small scurrying insectivores. Cyrus' oceans are salty - and dominated by sxuteblaverm orders. A series of cosmic events, from about 80 MYA and drying of northern hemisphere, plus other effects, caused the extinction of amphibians on the Northern continent, and as it remained fairly dry, "reptilians", rapidly followed by "furry" hi-metabolism critters, filled all the ecological niches... There are occasional population exchanges when there is an isthmus or island chain connecting the two landmasses. The "quasi-sapient" mangxulofisxi jiaoren yufu have successfully spread to the southern continent. Edited by Zoroaster, Dec 18 2010, 11:50 PM.
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| Parasky | Dec 17 2010, 06:00 PM Post #12 |
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I like where this is going so far, I'll keep an eye on the topic. I especially like how the planet has habitable moons with lifeforms transferred from said planet. |
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| Dark-Matter | Dec 17 2010, 07:22 PM Post #13 |
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The organisms and the geological time scale of the planet are incredible,good work Magoo. |
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| Zoroaster | Dec 18 2010, 11:56 PM Post #14 |
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Cyrus, the largest moon of Zarathustra, will have "zombies" - i.e. humans and terran animals in a "rabid" state due to prion infection (from killing and eating local endemic animals), a more violent form of mad cow disease, at the height and most symptomatic stage of the infection, they don't need to eat or sleep, just kill, they are dimwitted and fairly slow moving - due to destruction of neurons, and will eventually die when their nervous systems stop sending messages to their heart and lungs - but in the years where they are pre-symptomatic, there are symptoms of insomnia, violent rages etc. It's like rabies, but can last for months, and it takes years for the infection to "zombify" the victim. At the height of the infection, they are VERY difficult to kill, and if they do feel pain, it doesn't stop them. In the vast swamps of the southern continent, not long after first human settlement of Cyrus, humans have gone "feral", and started eating local wildlife, the average lifespan of a human in this habitat is about 20 years... There is also a much smaller population on the North East continent based upon a cult, who worship the zombie - two powerful human nation states protect this Zombie Nation from eradication by other neighbours. |
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| Zoroaster | Dec 19 2010, 11:53 AM Post #15 |
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The beasts are coming - by far the greatest diverstiy is on Cyrus - which has multiple biomes, some of which are geographically separated : Attached is one "grazer" animal which inhabits dry or wet grasslands on the West side of the northern continental mass. As you can see, it inherits its ancestral hexapod bauplan from it's ancestors, and its keratin (let's call it Ketatin Z) from it's ancestors, for its leaf picking / grasping beak, it's claws, and its insulating layer of "fur"...
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