Aftershock

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Aftershock; life after the end
Topic Started: Nov 17 2010, 07:32 PM (1,128 Views)
one of the local civilians	Nov 17 2010, 07:32 PM Post #1
Newborn Posts: 56 Group: Members Member #429 Joined: Nov 10, 2010	I am working on this with Dragon Wasp: Aftershock The year is 7500 AD. it has been 5000 years since the extinction of mankind, and newly sapient(well, almost) have risen up from the charred ruins of the post-war cities, ravaged by nukes and bombs so long ago, as well as a whole cast of new and adapted species, such as the canis urbanus, a wolf/coyote whose pelt is matched to blackened city ruins. Mankinds' time is over. the world has been reborn. Aftershock.
	"If your left shoe is on the right way, then your right shoe should be your left shoe, but then again, if both your shoes are on the right way you'd have two right shoes, but if your left shoe was your right shoe, wouldn't it be logical that you're right shoe is your left?" -me


Dark-Matter	Nov 17 2010, 07:41 PM Post #2
Adult Posts: 728 Group: Members Member #427 Joined: Nov 4, 2010 Area of expertise: Xenobiology Nationality: American	I don't think that 7500 years is enough time for a new species of sapien to rise :\|.



one of the local civilians	Nov 17 2010, 07:56 PM Post #3
Newborn Posts: 56 Group: Members Member #429 Joined: Nov 10, 2010	well..... 1. I said almost, meaning not fully sapient, but maybe transitioning. 2. There could be something that would possibly speed up evolution that was caused by a nuclear war, as said. 3. It could be a highly intelligent creature(maybe a dog or an octopus) let me know if these are plausible, and it would be nice to have some new ideas.
	"If your left shoe is on the right way, then your right shoe should be your left shoe, but then again, if both your shoes are on the right way you'd have two right shoes, but if your left shoe was your right shoe, wouldn't it be logical that you're right shoe is your left?" -me


Dark-Matter	Nov 17 2010, 08:12 PM Post #4
Adult Posts: 728 Group: Members Member #427 Joined: Nov 4, 2010 Area of expertise: Xenobiology Nationality: American	The best creatures to reach sapien or semi-sapien in 7500 would be the octobus since some have start to walk in two legs in the botton of the ocean and started using opened cocconot as armor. http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=a-tool-wielding-octopus-this-invert-2009-12-14 or some species of bird or primate.



Pando	Nov 17 2010, 08:16 PM Post #5
Obey or I'll send you to the moon Posts: 5,648 Group: Members Member #275 Joined: Feb 24, 2010 Area of expertise: Future Evolution	Dark-Matter, octopus are far from sapience. Your best bets would be primates, or raccoons, I think. But 7500 years is too low. Very few species evolve in that short a time, especially to near-sapience.



Canis Lupis	Nov 17 2010, 09:10 PM Post #6
Dinosaurs eat man, woman inherits the Earth. Posts: 5,881 Group: Away Staff Member #95 Joined: Oct 16, 2008 Gender: Female Nationality: United States Favorite Quote: "A speccer once tried to tell me I was wrong. I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti."	Yeah, your best bet in 7,500 years is a primate like a chimpanzee. They're semi-sapient now and don't have to overcome coming onto land to do it (which octopi would have to do). And not much could evolve in 7,500 years even if a nuclear war occurs. The nuclear war, depending on the scale, would wipe out a menagerie of species. That would open a lot of niches up, yes. But, contary to popular belief and Hollywood, radiation does not accelerate evolution. Yes, it does increase the rate of mutations. But most of these mutations are extremely harmful to the organism and, in some cases, can make the organism infertile, thus causing them not to pass the mutations, harmful or helpful, onto the next generation. Might I suggest moving this farther into the future? 50 million years would get you a good diversity, yet octopi still wouldn't be able to develop sapience in this timeframe.



Kamidio	Nov 17 2010, 09:13 PM Post #7
The Game Master of the SSU:NC Posts: 14,725 Group: Members Member #149 Joined: Mar 12, 2009 Nationality: Who knows?~♪ Favorite Quote: "Do you remember how many loaves of bread you have eaten in your life?" - Dio Gender: Dude	OctoPODES will never be sapient. EVER.
	SSU:NC - Finding a new home. Quotes Steve Irwin I have no fear of losing my life - if I have to save a koala or a crocodile or a kangaroo or a snake, mate, I will save it. Satoru Iwata - Heart of a Gamer Even if we come from different sides of the world, speak different languages, even if we eat too many chips or rice balls, even if we wave different tastes in games, every one of us here today is identical in the most important way: each one of us was the heart of a gamer. The Writing on the Wall You should not have come here. This is not a place of honor. No great deed is commemorated here. Nothing of value is here. What is here is dangerous and repulsive. Parasky \| 2015 You can't be 100% certain Barack Obama is currently the US president, or that the nation of Canada even exists. Dan Avidan See, what I like to do now as an adult is take all that anger and frustration and push it down deep inside of me, until it becomes a seething white core of pure hate. Dan Avidan Follow your stupid fuckin' dreams. WAA http://31.media.tumblr.com/2f7731936cac777ea7b8cb26e8ccaab6/tumblr_inline_mxz9c7XmS41qa4twn.png636,360 http://tmv.proto.jp/reblog.php?post_url= A tool to reblog my own posts. I put it here because I know I'll forget it.


Canis Lupis	Nov 17 2010, 09:20 PM Post #8
Dinosaurs eat man, woman inherits the Earth. Posts: 5,881 Group: Away Staff Member #95 Joined: Oct 16, 2008 Gender: Female Nationality: United States Favorite Quote: "A speccer once tried to tell me I was wrong. I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti."	Barring a highly unlikely extinction in chordates when octopi are already on land, then you're right. Yes, they have all the qualities, but they're at the mercy of their environment and physiology.



The Dodo	Nov 17 2010, 09:22 PM Post #9
Prime Specimen Posts: 1,382 Group: Members Member #189 Joined: Jul 26, 2009 Gender: Male Nationality: Australian	Why do octopus have to come on land to develop sapience, why can't they do it in the water?



Kamidio	Nov 17 2010, 09:24 PM Post #10
The Game Master of the SSU:NC Posts: 14,725 Group: Members Member #149 Joined: Mar 12, 2009 Nationality: Who knows?~♪ Favorite Quote: "Do you remember how many loaves of bread you have eaten in your life?" - Dio Gender: Dude	Easy. More danger in the sea.
	SSU:NC - Finding a new home. Quotes Steve Irwin I have no fear of losing my life - if I have to save a koala or a crocodile or a kangaroo or a snake, mate, I will save it. Satoru Iwata - Heart of a Gamer Even if we come from different sides of the world, speak different languages, even if we eat too many chips or rice balls, even if we wave different tastes in games, every one of us here today is identical in the most important way: each one of us was the heart of a gamer. The Writing on the Wall You should not have come here. This is not a place of honor. No great deed is commemorated here. Nothing of value is here. What is here is dangerous and repulsive. Parasky \| 2015 You can't be 100% certain Barack Obama is currently the US president, or that the nation of Canada even exists. Dan Avidan See, what I like to do now as an adult is take all that anger and frustration and push it down deep inside of me, until it becomes a seething white core of pure hate. Dan Avidan Follow your stupid fuckin' dreams. WAA http://31.media.tumblr.com/2f7731936cac777ea7b8cb26e8ccaab6/tumblr_inline_mxz9c7XmS41qa4twn.png636,360 http://tmv.proto.jp/reblog.php?post_url= A tool to reblog my own posts. I put it here because I know I'll forget it.


The Dodo	Nov 17 2010, 09:25 PM Post #11
Prime Specimen Posts: 1,382 Group: Members Member #189 Joined: Jul 26, 2009 Gender: Male Nationality: Australian	There was a lot of danger where humans evolved as well and that didin't stop us.



Dragon wasp	Nov 17 2010, 09:28 PM Post #12
Prime Specimen Posts: 1,863 Group: Members Member #184 Joined: Jul 7, 2009 Area of expertise: Xenobiology Nationality: Canadian	hey you started the topic! YAY! Also there is two time periods: This one and one at about 60,000 AD



Canis Lupis	Nov 17 2010, 09:34 PM Post #13
Dinosaurs eat man, woman inherits the Earth. Posts: 5,881 Group: Away Staff Member #95 Joined: Oct 16, 2008 Gender: Female Nationality: United States Favorite Quote: "A speccer once tried to tell me I was wrong. I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti."	Fakey, that is not the reason at all! Octopi can develop sapience, even in the water. But sapience usually means developing a civilization. And there are so few civilization-building materials in the ocean. Yes, they can use bone or coral (assuming it's still around), but short of that... The reason octopi cannot develop sapience without moving onto land (and this applies to any marine creature, not just octopi) is lack of material. Yes, they could develop a purely oral (or, in the octopi's case, chromatic) society with simple tools (like coconut shields, homes, and tiny weapons), but it would never advance beyond that.



Kamidio	Nov 17 2010, 09:54 PM Post #14
The Game Master of the SSU:NC Posts: 14,725 Group: Members Member #149 Joined: Mar 12, 2009 Nationality: Who knows?~♪ Favorite Quote: "Do you remember how many loaves of bread you have eaten in your life?" - Dio Gender: Dude	Actually yes it is. Without building materials, the sea is a dangerous place. So danger and shelter goes hand in hand.
	SSU:NC - Finding a new home. Quotes Steve Irwin I have no fear of losing my life - if I have to save a koala or a crocodile or a kangaroo or a snake, mate, I will save it. Satoru Iwata - Heart of a Gamer Even if we come from different sides of the world, speak different languages, even if we eat too many chips or rice balls, even if we wave different tastes in games, every one of us here today is identical in the most important way: each one of us was the heart of a gamer. The Writing on the Wall You should not have come here. This is not a place of honor. No great deed is commemorated here. Nothing of value is here. What is here is dangerous and repulsive. Parasky \| 2015 You can't be 100% certain Barack Obama is currently the US president, or that the nation of Canada even exists. Dan Avidan See, what I like to do now as an adult is take all that anger and frustration and push it down deep inside of me, until it becomes a seething white core of pure hate. Dan Avidan Follow your stupid fuckin' dreams. WAA http://31.media.tumblr.com/2f7731936cac777ea7b8cb26e8ccaab6/tumblr_inline_mxz9c7XmS41qa4twn.png636,360 http://tmv.proto.jp/reblog.php?post_url= A tool to reblog my own posts. I put it here because I know I'll forget it.


Canis Lupis	Nov 17 2010, 10:00 PM Post #15
Dinosaurs eat man, woman inherits the Earth. Posts: 5,881 Group: Away Staff Member #95 Joined: Oct 16, 2008 Gender: Female Nationality: United States Favorite Quote: "A speccer once tried to tell me I was wrong. I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti."	Living is dangerous. Heck, it's dangerous in New York City and we have the materials. Evolution wouldn't happen if things weren't dangerous.



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