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Time Travel and the Alien Grey; We are the Grey
Topic Started: Nov 15 2010, 02:56 AM (3,921 Views)
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I don't believe UFOs are extraterrestrial visitors from another part of the galaxy. I believe they are us. Well, at least the descriptions assigned to the Alien Greys.

Physics of interstellar travel aside, I just don't believe Earth would be a stop on any alien travel manifest.
But...humor me a bit...Time traveling future humans might have a reason to visit us. Lets not get hung up on the Time Travel physics. I am more interesting in exploring what conditions could cause humans to evolve into a Grey.

What is a Grey?
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According to English reproductive biologist Jack Cohen, the typical image of a Grey, given that it would have evolved on a world with different environmental and ecological conditions from Earth, is too physiologically similar to a human to be credible as a representation of an alien. Their physical structure has been sometimes viewed as supporting the Panspermia theory of origins, although the "parallel evolution" required is not scientifically plausible. The "parallel evolution" concept, utilized as a plot device by Star Trek writers Gene Roddenberry and Gene Coon and referred to as "Hodgkins Law of Parallel Planet Development". However, even this fictional theory does not explain such remarkable Grey-human similarities as the facial geometry, the apparent sternal-xiphoidal process, the evident pectoral-trapezial architecture, and the number of toes per foot.[14]

One theory that could explain such seemingly impossible coincidences is the idea that extraterrestrial beings had some influence on the evolution of life on Earth in the distant past, specifically that extraterrestrials were directly involved in the evolution of primates, including humans. This was supposedly done by genetic engineering, cross-breeding, or a combination of both. This idea, regarded as nonsense by the mainstream science community, first gained widespread exposure with the 1968 publication of Chariots of the Gods? by Erich von Däniken and has since been the source of much controversy, and has inspired numerous other books with various related theories.

Proponents of this theory of alien genetic/evolutionary intervention on Earth argue that if the Greys (or similar beings) were performing genetic manipulations and/or experiments with pre-human life forms on Earth, then it would be logical, and perhaps almost expected, that these alleged aliens may have attempted to influence the evolution of life forms here in a direction consistent with their own genetic makeup, and similar to their own physiology and general physical structure, since genetically that is what they would presumably be most familiar with.

Since there is no evidence of what types of life or physiology might evolve on other habitable planets, no way to accurately gauge the likelihood or unlikelihood of coincidences in evolution on two separate planets, and no conclusive evidence of any alleged past extraterrestrial genetic manipulation in our own evolution, the debate over the evolutionary feasibility of the Greys (or any other bipedal, humanoid extraterrestrial species) is ultimately nothing more than speculation on both sides.


This speculates panspermia or purposeful seeding of Earth but what if that is backward thinking. What if these lifeforms are our descendants from the far future.
I mean just look at their depictions:
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What changes would have to occur to mutate a human being to look like that? I think it could happen.
Perhaps we are dying out and they somehow mastered time travel and have come back for fresh DNA or something.

Looking at the top picture
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Alienigena.jpg/220px-Alienigena.jpg
That thing looks all too human. It has bilateral symmetry. The skeletal structure looks like ours, there are changes in some features but they are all in the right places.

If our brains were to grow larger wouldn't the extra mass form at the back of our heads? Just thinking of balance and symmetry. Feel the back of your head and you will notice your spine is at the back side of your skull. If mass increased wouldn't it try to balance over its pivot? LOL (I know)

Ok this is a push because we are looking at a version far removed from us with no gradual links between us and them.

The Eyes
What conditions could cause Our eyes to become like those? Less light? Different light spectrum? Staring too long at a monitor? The sockets are slightly different but they are still eyes and they are specialized.

Small Nose
Our noses are already smaller than our ancestors. Perhaps our noses will continue to diminish over time. We buy our food prepackaged and processed for the most part now. We don't run from prey and we are usually confined to a conditioned environment.

Small Mouth
Perhaps in the future we develop food pastes or soylent green or something that requires less work to consume. In the far future what would we be eating? What other changes could cause our mouths and noses to reduce? Perhaps diet has something to do with the nose reduction as well?

Upper Body Mass
Overall body size too. Imagine centuries of being confined in a machine manipulating levers and jot sticks. Perhaps foot pedals as well. Less energy is being used to create work. Machines do all heavy work and all we do is control the machines. Our diet has diminished and we are secluded away from natural sunlight.

I'm gunna leave this here. I am looking to get you all to help me explore this more. I really believe the Alien Grey is a time traveler from our own future.

I wish to explore the changes to our planet that could cause us to be this finished product. Instead of creating a being as a finished product, lets take the finished product and figure out how it got that way.
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The part that matters doesn't involve carbon. It involves phosphorus and oxygen.
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And carbon.

Oh, and by the way, silicon dioxide.
Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

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See what I mean about staying on topic?

I suppose a grey could evolve naturally over time, but it looks unlikely.
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http://web.nestucca.k12.or.us/nvhs/staff/whitehead/atp.jpg

http://www.naturalypure.com/images/ATP.jpg

http://www.accessexcellence.org/RC/VL/GG/ecb/ecb_images/03_32_ATP_and_ADP_cycle.jpg

I see no carbon involved in that third phosphate. What's wrong with silicon dioxide? It being a solid?
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Dinosaurs eat man, woman inherits the Earth.

It's entirely possible, especially in a semi-weightless environment like on the Moon or in a space station with minimal artificial gravity.
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What would that do Canis?

Sliver- silicon dioxide being what happens when Silicon and OXygen are together... always. And then you can't exactly eat silicon dioxide can you.
ATP relies on its resonant bond, every part of the molecule plays a part.
Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

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Just as Carbon Dioxide is what happens when carbon and oxygen are together always.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_monoxide

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thionyl_chloride

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur_trioxide

Examples of silicon and oxygen together and not being SiO2. Although SiO is only short lived it can be used to produce other molecules.

You can't eat carbon dioxide either...
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You can't eat carbon dioxide either...

You cant but plants do don't they? LOL (I don't know if you would consider it eating lets use the word - consume)
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Eh, I'd consider it on the same level as when we breath in oxygen.
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I did a quick search on 'gray human skin' looking for the likelihood of humans developing gray skin.
I found a blog in which this is addressed. I do not know the qualifications of the poster but it supports this condition.

http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/the-evolution-of-human-skin-coloration/

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The site link above is this entry with additional graphics and the blog comments.
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Cold- and those molecules are very very rare.

SiO2 is far more stable.

carbon dioxide is far easier to use than silicon dioxide, mainly because there are molecules it is far more stable binding to. And that's what goes for photosynthesis, adding carbon dioxide to other carbon dioxide and hydrogen with P to make PGAL.
Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

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What's wrong with silicon dioxide? It being a solid?


I thought it was it not being soluble in water, although I'd imagine it being a solid could come into play in larger organisms.

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It's entirely possible, especially in a semi-weightless environment like on the Moon or in a space station with minimal artificial gravity.


No... then you end up dying or not being able to reproduce.

And while messing around with gravity can cause more gracility, or whatever, it shouldn't cause grey-like traits. Those are different.
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