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| Time Travel and the Alien Grey; We are the Grey | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 15 2010, 02:56 AM (3,923 Views) | |
| skwirlinator | Nov 15 2010, 02:56 AM Post #1 |
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I don't believe UFOs are extraterrestrial visitors from another part of the galaxy. I believe they are us. Well, at least the descriptions assigned to the Alien Greys. Physics of interstellar travel aside, I just don't believe Earth would be a stop on any alien travel manifest. But...humor me a bit...Time traveling future humans might have a reason to visit us. Lets not get hung up on the Time Travel physics. I am more interesting in exploring what conditions could cause humans to evolve into a Grey. What is a Grey?
This speculates panspermia or purposeful seeding of Earth but what if that is backward thinking. What if these lifeforms are our descendants from the far future. I mean just look at their depictions: ![]() ![]() ![]() What changes would have to occur to mutate a human being to look like that? I think it could happen. Perhaps we are dying out and they somehow mastered time travel and have come back for fresh DNA or something. Looking at the top picture http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Alienigena.jpg/220px-Alienigena.jpg That thing looks all too human. It has bilateral symmetry. The skeletal structure looks like ours, there are changes in some features but they are all in the right places. If our brains were to grow larger wouldn't the extra mass form at the back of our heads? Just thinking of balance and symmetry. Feel the back of your head and you will notice your spine is at the back side of your skull. If mass increased wouldn't it try to balance over its pivot? LOL (I know) Ok this is a push because we are looking at a version far removed from us with no gradual links between us and them. The Eyes What conditions could cause Our eyes to become like those? Less light? Different light spectrum? Staring too long at a monitor? The sockets are slightly different but they are still eyes and they are specialized. Small Nose Our noses are already smaller than our ancestors. Perhaps our noses will continue to diminish over time. We buy our food prepackaged and processed for the most part now. We don't run from prey and we are usually confined to a conditioned environment. Small Mouth Perhaps in the future we develop food pastes or soylent green or something that requires less work to consume. In the far future what would we be eating? What other changes could cause our mouths and noses to reduce? Perhaps diet has something to do with the nose reduction as well? Upper Body Mass Overall body size too. Imagine centuries of being confined in a machine manipulating levers and jot sticks. Perhaps foot pedals as well. Less energy is being used to create work. Machines do all heavy work and all we do is control the machines. Our diet has diminished and we are secluded away from natural sunlight. I'm gunna leave this here. I am looking to get you all to help me explore this more. I really believe the Alien Grey is a time traveler from our own future. I wish to explore the changes to our planet that could cause us to be this finished product. Instead of creating a being as a finished product, lets take the finished product and figure out how it got that way. |
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| Holben | Nov 17 2010, 02:34 PM Post #61 |
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I hope he meant alpha rhythms in the brain, and went on that assumption. lamna- Science Fiction or Science Fantasy?>
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Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea. "It is the old wound my king. It has never healed." | |
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| Spugpow | Nov 18 2010, 09:02 PM Post #62 |
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"Speculation is taking a hypothesis and scientifically testing it." "What we do on this site is science" What we do on this site isn't science. It's imagination with rules. |
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| Kamidio | Nov 18 2010, 09:05 PM Post #63 |
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No, I'm pretty sure it's science. |
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| Spugpow | Nov 18 2010, 09:29 PM Post #64 |
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How is it science? |
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| skwirlinator | Nov 19 2010, 12:32 AM Post #65 |
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I'm confused. I was thinking this community tries to come up with visual and written explanations for things science could not possibly know. Life on a distant world in another part of the galaxy or a different part of the universe is far beyond our ability to prove. We know that different environmental conditions produce vastly different life forms even here on Earth. The Diversity of organisms on this tiny lone planet is tremendous. This is just one planet with one moon orbiting one star in a outer section of a vast galaxy. Every life form we have ever known has been a product of these conditions. Speculative Evolution to me is the ability for some to imagine conditions on other worlds and extrapolate the type of life that might form. An endeavor into the unknown. Noone can be "wrong" because no matter how far fetched an idea may be we can not prove it one way or the other. An episode of Universe once postulated that in the life of the universe every concept imaginable will occur naturally. I don't recall hearing a disclaimer that only concepts of known scientifically plausible concepts would occur. We diverged from the intent of this exercise by getting lost focusing on attributes that intrigue us. There has been no mention of the fact that the alien Greys are depicted with bilateral symmetry, human-like hands, toes, fingers, head, neck, mouth, ears, legs - should I list everything? Time is a difficult concept for many people to grasp. Anything over a million years and most people cant figure it. There is a website that depicts the life of the Earth in 1 million year increments. I don't recommend you print it. http://www.angelfire.com/planet/check/earth.html Humor me for a few minutes and click that link. Then roll scroll with your mouse to the bottom. Don't cheat and drag down - roll scroll or use the down arrow. At the last increment you will see this:
Now quickly scroll back up. Note that our sun is in mid-sequence. Our planet will not last as long as our star but even conservatively it will exist for another 2.5 billion years. Life on this planet must change as the planet changes. This exercise was to use the Alien Grey as a model of the result of massive time displacement on the human form. It was a speculation. A result of such speculation might help others conceive of other life forms on old distant worlds. Inevitable changes we determine might produce changes in other Earth born life in the distant future opening creativity ideas on some of your fantastic projects. Who cares if its science, fiction or fantasy? Ice destroys landscape, heat withers grass and kills it & lack of light makes organisms without eyes. What would cause a human to shrink and turn frail? What would cause a human head to grow an extra lobe or two, or expand a hemisphere? Why would our mouths get smaller? Why did we turn grey? Why don't we talk anymore? What could we need from our ancestors and why would we go to such great lengths to get it? I wasn't seeking argument but collaboration. |
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| lamna | Nov 19 2010, 12:14 PM Post #66 |
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Well you hardly came to the right place if you don't want argument, also a bad place to come if you want us to stay on topic. Should have said you thought that they were from far in the future. If it can be done, given enough time someone will do it. If they were created someone thought they would improve humanity or supersede it and create the greys. And I know how long a million years is. |
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| Holben | Nov 19 2010, 01:18 PM Post #67 |
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This forum is not at all about implausible things! This for is Speculation, not fantasy, and Evolution, not Spontaneity. There is definite possibility for wrongness should you violate the laws of, say, chemistry and physics by making a mobile silicon-based lifeform. There is definitely large amounts of work beyond reasonable probability here too. Alternate Evolution is for living out fantasies. |
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Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea. "It is the old wound my king. It has never healed." | |
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| colddigger | Nov 19 2010, 01:46 PM Post #68 |
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Joke's over! Love, Parasky
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...I still think that silicon life could exist in the right environment, and flourish too... I need a milkshake... |
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| Holben | Nov 19 2010, 01:50 PM Post #69 |
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Wasted second part of post. Flourish maybe, as POND SCUM. Yes, that's right. No-one says it's impossible, TMK, that thinks straight. |
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| colddigger | Nov 19 2010, 02:02 PM Post #70 |
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Joke's over! Love, Parasky
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I did not waste that second part, milkshakes are required to get through such a task as scrolling down those millions. I personally enjoy pond scum. With their little flagella twirling about... And their bricks of colonial algae... and their amoebic amoebas... |
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| Holben | Nov 19 2010, 02:08 PM Post #71 |
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Silcon-based scum won't have flagellae or pseudopoda that move visibly though. |
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Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea. "It is the old wound my king. It has never healed." | |
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| colddigger | Nov 19 2010, 02:12 PM Post #72 |
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Joke's over! Love, Parasky
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Silicon life wouldn't be able to "twitch" (change position, shape, etc.) their proteins at the same speed as carbon life why? I mean... I suppose if it's due to cold then that makes sense... except they would still need to be liquid inside... Edited by colddigger, Nov 19 2010, 02:13 PM.
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| Holben | Nov 19 2010, 02:19 PM Post #73 |
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Energy constraints mainly. I mean, which high-energy bonds will they use? |
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| colddigger | Nov 19 2010, 02:28 PM Post #74 |
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Joke's over! Love, Parasky
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I assumed they would break off one phosphate from an ATP equivalent... |
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| Holben | Nov 19 2010, 02:36 PM Post #75 |
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ATP isn't the same without carbon... not even half as good. |
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