Time Travel and the Alien Grey

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Time Travel and the Alien Grey; We are the Grey
Topic Started: Nov 15 2010, 02:56 AM (3,925 Views)
skwirlinator	Nov 15 2010, 02:56 AM Post #1
Terminator Squirrel Posts: 307 Group: Members Member #418 Joined: Oct 18, 2010 Area of expertise: Xenobiology Nationality: American Favorite Quote: Life is a sexually transmitted disease that is 100% fatal - Skwirl	I don't believe UFOs are extraterrestrial visitors from another part of the galaxy. I believe they are us. Well, at least the descriptions assigned to the Alien Greys. Physics of interstellar travel aside, I just don't believe Earth would be a stop on any alien travel manifest. But...humor me a bit...Time traveling future humans might have a reason to visit us. Lets not get hung up on the Time Travel physics. I am more interesting in exploring what conditions could cause humans to evolve into a Grey. What is a Grey? "Wiki" According to English reproductive biologist Jack Cohen, the typical image of a Grey, given that it would have evolved on a world with different environmental and ecological conditions from Earth, is too physiologically similar to a human to be credible as a representation of an alien. Their physical structure has been sometimes viewed as supporting the Panspermia theory of origins, although the "parallel evolution" required is not scientifically plausible. The "parallel evolution" concept, utilized as a plot device by Star Trek writers Gene Roddenberry and Gene Coon and referred to as "Hodgkins Law of Parallel Planet Development". However, even this fictional theory does not explain such remarkable Grey-human similarities as the facial geometry, the apparent sternal-xiphoidal process, the evident pectoral-trapezial architecture, and the number of toes per foot.[14] One theory that could explain such seemingly impossible coincidences is the idea that extraterrestrial beings had some influence on the evolution of life on Earth in the distant past, specifically that extraterrestrials were directly involved in the evolution of primates, including humans. This was supposedly done by genetic engineering, cross-breeding, or a combination of both. This idea, regarded as nonsense by the mainstream science community, first gained widespread exposure with the 1968 publication of Chariots of the Gods? by Erich von Däniken and has since been the source of much controversy, and has inspired numerous other books with various related theories. Proponents of this theory of alien genetic/evolutionary intervention on Earth argue that if the Greys (or similar beings) were performing genetic manipulations and/or experiments with pre-human life forms on Earth, then it would be logical, and perhaps almost expected, that these alleged aliens may have attempted to influence the evolution of life forms here in a direction consistent with their own genetic makeup, and similar to their own physiology and general physical structure, since genetically that is what they would presumably be most familiar with. Since there is no evidence of what types of life or physiology might evolve on other habitable planets, no way to accurately gauge the likelihood or unlikelihood of coincidences in evolution on two separate planets, and no conclusive evidence of any alleged past extraterrestrial genetic manipulation in our own evolution, the debate over the evolutionary feasibility of the Greys (or any other bipedal, humanoid extraterrestrial species) is ultimately nothing more than speculation on both sides. This speculates panspermia or purposeful seeding of Earth but what if that is backward thinking. What if these lifeforms are our descendants from the far future. I mean just look at their depictions: What changes would have to occur to mutate a human being to look like that? I think it could happen. Perhaps we are dying out and they somehow mastered time travel and have come back for fresh DNA or something. Looking at the top picture http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Alienigena.jpg/220px-Alienigena.jpg That thing looks all too human. It has bilateral symmetry. The skeletal structure looks like ours, there are changes in some features but they are all in the right places. If our brains were to grow larger wouldn't the extra mass form at the back of our heads? Just thinking of balance and symmetry. Feel the back of your head and you will notice your spine is at the back side of your skull. If mass increased wouldn't it try to balance over its pivot? LOL (I know) Ok this is a push because we are looking at a version far removed from us with no gradual links between us and them. The Eyes What conditions could cause Our eyes to become like those? Less light? Different light spectrum? Staring too long at a monitor? The sockets are slightly different but they are still eyes and they are specialized. Small Nose Our noses are already smaller than our ancestors. Perhaps our noses will continue to diminish over time. We buy our food prepackaged and processed for the most part now. We don't run from prey and we are usually confined to a conditioned environment. Small Mouth Perhaps in the future we develop food pastes or soylent green or something that requires less work to consume. In the far future what would we be eating? What other changes could cause our mouths and noses to reduce? Perhaps diet has something to do with the nose reduction as well? Upper Body Mass Overall body size too. Imagine centuries of being confined in a machine manipulating levers and jot sticks. Perhaps foot pedals as well. Less energy is being used to create work. Machines do all heavy work and all we do is control the machines. Our diet has diminished and we are secluded away from natural sunlight. I'm gunna leave this here. I am looking to get you all to help me explore this more. I really believe the Alien Grey is a time traveler from our own future. I wish to explore the changes to our planet that could cause us to be this finished product. Instead of creating a being as a finished product, lets take the finished product and figure out how it got that way.

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Kamidio	Nov 15 2010, 10:25 PM Post #31
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skwirlinator	Nov 15 2010, 10:26 PM Post #32
Terminator Squirrel Posts: 307 Group: Members Member #418 Joined: Oct 18, 2010 Area of expertise: Xenobiology Nationality: American Favorite Quote: Life is a sexually transmitted disease that is 100% fatal - Skwirl	Kaiba Boy Nov 15 2010, 10:22 PM TL;DR: It's the life force. Yes, I loved the severed limb photography. It was also interesting that someone with a severed limb could feel pain or itching in the missing limb and it was treated with a mirror.



Kamidio	Nov 15 2010, 10:27 PM Post #33
The Game Master of the SSU:NC Posts: 14,725 Group: Members Member #149 Joined: Mar 12, 2009 Nationality: Who knows?~♪ Favorite Quote: "Do you remember how many loaves of bread you have eaten in your life?" - Dio Gender: Dude	http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Aura
	SSU:NC - Finding a new home. Quotes Steve Irwin I have no fear of losing my life - if I have to save a koala or a crocodile or a kangaroo or a snake, mate, I will save it. Satoru Iwata - Heart of a Gamer Even if we come from different sides of the world, speak different languages, even if we eat too many chips or rice balls, even if we wave different tastes in games, every one of us here today is identical in the most important way: each one of us was the heart of a gamer. The Writing on the Wall You should not have come here. This is not a place of honor. No great deed is commemorated here. Nothing of value is here. What is here is dangerous and repulsive. Parasky \| 2015 You can't be 100% certain Barack Obama is currently the US president, or that the nation of Canada even exists. Dan Avidan See, what I like to do now as an adult is take all that anger and frustration and push it down deep inside of me, until it becomes a seething white core of pure hate. Dan Avidan Follow your stupid fuckin' dreams. WAA http://31.media.tumblr.com/2f7731936cac777ea7b8cb26e8ccaab6/tumblr_inline_mxz9c7XmS41qa4twn.png636,360 http://tmv.proto.jp/reblog.php?post_url= A tool to reblog my own posts. I put it here because I know I'll forget it.


skwirlinator	Nov 15 2010, 10:28 PM Post #34
Terminator Squirrel Posts: 307 Group: Members Member #418 Joined: Oct 18, 2010 Area of expertise: Xenobiology Nationality: American Favorite Quote: Life is a sexually transmitted disease that is 100% fatal - Skwirl	Kaiba Boy Nov 15 2010, 10:25 PM I get the reference. Never do it again. Uh-O I don't What did I do? I'm still new here so If I violated a rule you should explain. If you are joking then ... well...LOL just in case?



Canis Lupis	Nov 15 2010, 10:28 PM Post #35
Dinosaurs eat man, woman inherits the Earth. Posts: 5,881 Group: Away Staff Member #95 Joined: Oct 16, 2008 Gender: Female Nationality: United States Favorite Quote: "A speccer once tried to tell me I was wrong. I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti."	Who says it's biological (the telepathy, I mean)? Technically, I'm communicating with you via telepathy right now. Just technological telepathy. All this cellular and computer technology, taken to its extreme, could easily evolve into a computer chip that, when inserted into the base of the brain, could effectively cause telepathy to arise. Edited by Canis Lupis, Nov 15 2010, 10:32 PM.



Kamidio	Nov 15 2010, 10:29 PM Post #36
The Game Master of the SSU:NC Posts: 14,725 Group: Members Member #149 Joined: Mar 12, 2009 Nationality: Who knows?~♪ Favorite Quote: "Do you remember how many loaves of bread you have eaten in your life?" - Dio Gender: Dude	Firefly is dead. Let it go.
	SSU:NC - Finding a new home. Quotes Steve Irwin I have no fear of losing my life - if I have to save a koala or a crocodile or a kangaroo or a snake, mate, I will save it. Satoru Iwata - Heart of a Gamer Even if we come from different sides of the world, speak different languages, even if we eat too many chips or rice balls, even if we wave different tastes in games, every one of us here today is identical in the most important way: each one of us was the heart of a gamer. The Writing on the Wall You should not have come here. This is not a place of honor. No great deed is commemorated here. Nothing of value is here. What is here is dangerous and repulsive. Parasky \| 2015 You can't be 100% certain Barack Obama is currently the US president, or that the nation of Canada even exists. Dan Avidan See, what I like to do now as an adult is take all that anger and frustration and push it down deep inside of me, until it becomes a seething white core of pure hate. Dan Avidan Follow your stupid fuckin' dreams. WAA http://31.media.tumblr.com/2f7731936cac777ea7b8cb26e8ccaab6/tumblr_inline_mxz9c7XmS41qa4twn.png636,360 http://tmv.proto.jp/reblog.php?post_url= A tool to reblog my own posts. I put it here because I know I'll forget it.


skwirlinator	Nov 15 2010, 10:38 PM Post #37
Terminator Squirrel Posts: 307 Group: Members Member #418 Joined: Oct 18, 2010 Area of expertise: Xenobiology Nationality: American Favorite Quote: Life is a sexually transmitted disease that is 100% fatal - Skwirl	Canis Lupis Nov 15 2010, 10:28 PM Who says it's biological? Technically, I'm communicating with you via telepathy right now. Just technological telepathy. All this cellular and computer technology, taken to its extreme, could easily evolve into a computer chip that, when inserted into the base of the brain, could effectively cause telepathy to arise. Interesting Concept. Like a dog tracking chip but for two way communication. I wonder if it has an accent? We could explore a whole database of speculation on Speculative Language Evolution to try to figure out how it would communicate. Pictures probably but we wouldn't rule out communicating direct emotional states as well. Since our language is based on sound it may not be a language at all. I wonder if that feature would allow them to remote control a body by directly overriding the synapse. Like a brain to brain wireless interface?



skwirlinator	Nov 15 2010, 10:38 PM Post #38
Terminator Squirrel Posts: 307 Group: Members Member #418 Joined: Oct 18, 2010 Area of expertise: Xenobiology Nationality: American Favorite Quote: Life is a sexually transmitted disease that is 100% fatal - Skwirl	Kaiba Boy Nov 15 2010, 10:29 PM Firefly is dead. Let it go. Yes, I will but my official stand is that it shouldn't be.



Kamidio	Nov 15 2010, 10:40 PM Post #39
The Game Master of the SSU:NC Posts: 14,725 Group: Members Member #149 Joined: Mar 12, 2009 Nationality: Who knows?~♪ Favorite Quote: "Do you remember how many loaves of bread you have eaten in your life?" - Dio Gender: Dude	Castle is better.
	SSU:NC - Finding a new home. Quotes Steve Irwin I have no fear of losing my life - if I have to save a koala or a crocodile or a kangaroo or a snake, mate, I will save it. Satoru Iwata - Heart of a Gamer Even if we come from different sides of the world, speak different languages, even if we eat too many chips or rice balls, even if we wave different tastes in games, every one of us here today is identical in the most important way: each one of us was the heart of a gamer. The Writing on the Wall You should not have come here. This is not a place of honor. No great deed is commemorated here. Nothing of value is here. What is here is dangerous and repulsive. Parasky \| 2015 You can't be 100% certain Barack Obama is currently the US president, or that the nation of Canada even exists. Dan Avidan See, what I like to do now as an adult is take all that anger and frustration and push it down deep inside of me, until it becomes a seething white core of pure hate. Dan Avidan Follow your stupid fuckin' dreams. WAA http://31.media.tumblr.com/2f7731936cac777ea7b8cb26e8ccaab6/tumblr_inline_mxz9c7XmS41qa4twn.png636,360 http://tmv.proto.jp/reblog.php?post_url= A tool to reblog my own posts. I put it here because I know I'll forget it.


skwirlinator	Nov 15 2010, 10:42 PM Post #40
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Kamidio	Nov 15 2010, 10:45 PM Post #41
The Game Master of the SSU:NC Posts: 14,725 Group: Members Member #149 Joined: Mar 12, 2009 Nationality: Who knows?~♪ Favorite Quote: "Do you remember how many loaves of bread you have eaten in your life?" - Dio Gender: Dude	It's on regular TV.
	SSU:NC - Finding a new home. Quotes Steve Irwin I have no fear of losing my life - if I have to save a koala or a crocodile or a kangaroo or a snake, mate, I will save it. Satoru Iwata - Heart of a Gamer Even if we come from different sides of the world, speak different languages, even if we eat too many chips or rice balls, even if we wave different tastes in games, every one of us here today is identical in the most important way: each one of us was the heart of a gamer. The Writing on the Wall You should not have come here. This is not a place of honor. No great deed is commemorated here. Nothing of value is here. What is here is dangerous and repulsive. Parasky \| 2015 You can't be 100% certain Barack Obama is currently the US president, or that the nation of Canada even exists. Dan Avidan See, what I like to do now as an adult is take all that anger and frustration and push it down deep inside of me, until it becomes a seething white core of pure hate. Dan Avidan Follow your stupid fuckin' dreams. WAA http://31.media.tumblr.com/2f7731936cac777ea7b8cb26e8ccaab6/tumblr_inline_mxz9c7XmS41qa4twn.png636,360 http://tmv.proto.jp/reblog.php?post_url= A tool to reblog my own posts. I put it here because I know I'll forget it.


Spugpow	Nov 15 2010, 10:56 PM Post #42
Prime Specimen Posts: 1,025 Group: Members Member #389 Joined: Sep 20, 2010	"All this cellular and computer technology, taken to its extreme, could easily evolve into a computer chip that, when inserted into the base of the brain, could effectively cause telepathy to arise." Which is basically what I originally suggested . Technological telepathy seems more likely than the biological kind, since A: There's no known analogue to real telepathy in any land vertebrate, and B: It's hard to see how it would confer selective benefit to the individuals who possessed it, since early on it wouldn't be any better than those other methods of communication Skwirlinator listed. Technology, of course, doesn't have to increase human fitness to advance. Edited by Spugpow, Nov 15 2010, 10:57 PM.
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Kamidio	Nov 15 2010, 10:57 PM Post #43
The Game Master of the SSU:NC Posts: 14,725 Group: Members Member #149 Joined: Mar 12, 2009 Nationality: Who knows?~♪ Favorite Quote: "Do you remember how many loaves of bread you have eaten in your life?" - Dio Gender: Dude	A: Cats. They know everthing you think.
	SSU:NC - Finding a new home. Quotes Steve Irwin I have no fear of losing my life - if I have to save a koala or a crocodile or a kangaroo or a snake, mate, I will save it. Satoru Iwata - Heart of a Gamer Even if we come from different sides of the world, speak different languages, even if we eat too many chips or rice balls, even if we wave different tastes in games, every one of us here today is identical in the most important way: each one of us was the heart of a gamer. The Writing on the Wall You should not have come here. This is not a place of honor. No great deed is commemorated here. Nothing of value is here. What is here is dangerous and repulsive. Parasky \| 2015 You can't be 100% certain Barack Obama is currently the US president, or that the nation of Canada even exists. Dan Avidan See, what I like to do now as an adult is take all that anger and frustration and push it down deep inside of me, until it becomes a seething white core of pure hate. Dan Avidan Follow your stupid fuckin' dreams. WAA http://31.media.tumblr.com/2f7731936cac777ea7b8cb26e8ccaab6/tumblr_inline_mxz9c7XmS41qa4twn.png636,360 http://tmv.proto.jp/reblog.php?post_url= A tool to reblog my own posts. I put it here because I know I'll forget it.


urufumarukai	Nov 15 2010, 11:08 PM Post #44
Hitler is my spirit animal Posts: 3,742 Group: Members Member #342 Joined: Jul 11, 2010 Gender: Male Also known as: The Boats	Canis Lupis Nov 15 2010, 10:28 PM Who says it's biological (the telepathy, I mean)? Technically, I'm communicating with you via telepathy right now. Just technological telepathy. All this cellular and computer technology, taken to its extreme, could easily evolve into a computer chip that, when inserted into the base of the brain, could effectively cause telepathy to arise. Funny that you mention that. I read an article and saw some videos of scientists experimemting with placing computer chips in quadraplegics to have them control computers and/or robotic limbs just by thinking it. It's not outrageous to say the project could expand to comunication.
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skwirlinator	Nov 15 2010, 11:13 PM Post #45
Terminator Squirrel Posts: 307 Group: Members Member #418 Joined: Oct 18, 2010 Area of expertise: Xenobiology Nationality: American Favorite Quote: Life is a sexually transmitted disease that is 100% fatal - Skwirl	Quote: B: It's hard to see how it would confer selective benefit to the individuals who possessed it, since early on it wouldn't be any better That's true. For a trait to develop it must be useful to the preservation and reproduction of a species. A gradual development of telepathy may not propagate thru generations without an immediate benefit. However an augmentation of an existing region of the brain may propagate a genetic preference for the augmentation. With a bit of genetic manipulation to accept the augments a natural biological change could occur to enable the augment. (A chip is implanted and over time and thru genetic and biological manipulation the brain grows an interface for the chip. Since we can't know how the Grey reproduces the chips might be grown into the being at inception)



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