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| Time Travel and the Alien Grey; We are the Grey | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 15 2010, 02:56 AM (3,920 Views) | |
| skwirlinator | Nov 15 2010, 02:56 AM Post #1 |
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I don't believe UFOs are extraterrestrial visitors from another part of the galaxy. I believe they are us. Well, at least the descriptions assigned to the Alien Greys. Physics of interstellar travel aside, I just don't believe Earth would be a stop on any alien travel manifest. But...humor me a bit...Time traveling future humans might have a reason to visit us. Lets not get hung up on the Time Travel physics. I am more interesting in exploring what conditions could cause humans to evolve into a Grey. What is a Grey? 
This speculates panspermia or purposeful seeding of Earth but what if that is backward thinking. What if these lifeforms are our descendants from the far future. I mean just look at their depictions:    What changes would have to occur to mutate a human being to look like that? I think it could happen. Perhaps we are dying out and they somehow mastered time travel and have come back for fresh DNA or something. Looking at the top picture http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Alienigena.jpg/220px-Alienigena.jpg That thing looks all too human. It has bilateral symmetry. The skeletal structure looks like ours, there are changes in some features but they are all in the right places. If our brains were to grow larger wouldn't the extra mass form at the back of our heads? Just thinking of balance and symmetry. Feel the back of your head and you will notice your spine is at the back side of your skull. If mass increased wouldn't it try to balance over its pivot? LOL (I know) Ok this is a push because we are looking at a version far removed from us with no gradual links between us and them. The Eyes What conditions could cause Our eyes to become like those? Less light? Different light spectrum? Staring too long at a monitor? The sockets are slightly different but they are still eyes and they are specialized. Small Nose Our noses are already smaller than our ancestors. Perhaps our noses will continue to diminish over time. We buy our food prepackaged and processed for the most part now. We don't run from prey and we are usually confined to a conditioned environment. Small Mouth Perhaps in the future we develop food pastes or soylent green or something that requires less work to consume. In the far future what would we be eating? What other changes could cause our mouths and noses to reduce? Perhaps diet has something to do with the nose reduction as well? Upper Body Mass Overall body size too. Imagine centuries of being confined in a machine manipulating levers and jot sticks. Perhaps foot pedals as well. Less energy is being used to create work. Machines do all heavy work and all we do is control the machines. Our diet has diminished and we are secluded away from natural sunlight. I'm gunna leave this here. I am looking to get you all to help me explore this more. I really believe the Alien Grey is a time traveler from our own future. I wish to explore the changes to our planet that could cause us to be this finished product. Instead of creating a being as a finished product, lets take the finished product and figure out how it got that way. |
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| colddigger | Nov 15 2010, 03:04 AM Post #2 |
Joke's over! Love, Parasky
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Large eyes are considered sexy by some people, I dunno, maybe that mindset could have increased in this supposed future resulting in FREAKISHLY HUGE EYES. |
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| skwirlinator | Nov 15 2010, 03:09 AM Post #3 |
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Thats why humans like babies. Look at a pic of a puppy. It actually has huge eyes. As the animal ages its head catches up to its eye size. There has been studies done on this. But I don't think that was what caused us to have larger eyes. I think it was environmentally driven not socially. |
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| colddigger | Nov 15 2010, 03:17 AM Post #4 |
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The human species relies heavily on sight, I wouldn't doubt for a second that if we were forced to move underground our eyes would become larger to work in the dimmer light, regardless of the artificial lighting. |
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| skwirlinator | Nov 15 2010, 03:43 AM Post #5 |
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That might also account for the gray color change as well. Lack of vitamin D and less radiation. Plus confined spaces are quieter so ears would be reduced as well. They would need less of a dish to funnel sound. A note about theirs ships and time travel: Everything is in motion. Time travel would require a fast moving ship that can fly in space to "catch up" with a future or past Earth position. Not only do you need to know how to get to the when, you also need to be able to get to the where. Edited by skwirlinator, Nov 15 2010, 03:55 AM.
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| skwirlinator | Nov 15 2010, 03:57 AM Post #6 |
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A true time traveler would appear to be extraterrestrial because they would arrive and depart in space. |
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| Holben | Nov 15 2010, 02:24 PM Post #7 |
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There's the problem of reproduction, why would people mate with a partner that had the capability to produce a baby that looks like that? It doesn't fit the things we have evolved to look for. If they're artificially created... that's a yucky guy who designed them. |
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Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea. "It is the old wound my king. It has never healed." | |
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| Dark-Matter | Nov 15 2010, 03:01 PM Post #8 |
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Maybe the greys have evolve so close to technology that the only way that they can reproduce is by cloning
Edited by Dark-Matter, Aug 14 2011, 01:15 PM.
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| Ddraig Goch | Nov 15 2010, 03:14 PM Post #9 |
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Well cloning has its problems... How about if the changes were very gradual? It's quite possible that information about humanity as it is now may be lost (another possible reason for the time travellers coming back to us), and so they don't have anything to compare against. Mind you, I'm not sure if eyes would become bigger because of staring at computer screens. This imagining of future humans, http://speculativeevolution.deviantart.com/gallery/?set=24069426&offset=216#/d2q2x25 , suggest that our eyes may actually become smaller instead. |
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| skwirlinator | Nov 15 2010, 04:55 PM Post #10 |
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I dont think it would be like going out to a bar and picking an alien grey to mate with. imagine instead a gradual change over thousands or even millions of generations. That's how evolution works. I dont need to tell you that tho. You are a member of Speculative Evolution. I am sure genetic code was manipulated at some point in the evolution, most likely for environment or social change. Mutation probably assisted in making even more changes over time. On the eyes thing. I was joking about the monitor quip. But low light conditions might cause, over time for the eye to evolve to capture more light. Low light would also cause the need for more surface area for rods and cone placement. Atmospheric changes may cause the need for an inner lid to develop to protect the eye itself. If you were around when eyes were just photosensitive cells could you accurately predict what our current eyes might become? Perhaps we are looking at a creature that far beyond us. Perhaps the eyes are exactly the same as ours and what we describe is only a genetically enhanced external lens of some type for some specific purpose or environment. To explore the speculation of this topic we should be concentrating on what could be not what can't be. Look for explanations that would justify the changes in our bodies instead of looking for why it couldn't happen. Anyone can be a naysayer. Speculation defines us as imaginative. Lets explore our imaginations. Lets explore the possible conditions that could cause our bodies to slowly, over vast time scales, develop these characteristics. The easiest to explore is going to be the environmental changes. I am sure there are social and scientific changes as well. Once we explore what could cause the changes then we can tear it down. |
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| skwirlinator | Nov 15 2010, 05:12 PM Post #11 |
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We should not dismiss cloning in these creatures development. Perhaps cloning was done and their genetic code was stagnated. It would explain why they have been reportedly abducting humans for medical experiments. Perhaps their reproduction systems are damaged or they are searching for genetic diversity to reintroduce. Cloning would also explain mutations. Over generations, many generations, cloned code will also mutate. Every clone is not a pristine duplicate. Pristine duplication is a science fiction device. Clones are very similar but never exact duplicates. Clones are also not instant replications. They are grown. They develop in different incubation chambers with slightly different environments and stimuli. Even in today's science genetic manipulation is being done. Multiply that over thousands or millions of generations. Our bodies might mutate into any number of variations. Perhaps the grey is but one class of future human. Lets establish cloning and gene manipulation as but part of the evolution of these creatures. It is possible cloning led to their current appearance or is the current cause of it. We can also add genetic isolation/dilution as a motive for human abductions and the need to time travel. (For Samples). |
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| colddigger | Nov 15 2010, 05:18 PM Post #12 |
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Or maybe they just want our sexy 1950s white women. |
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| lamna | Nov 15 2010, 05:34 PM Post #13 |
 
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Perhaps they could be created by a cult inspired to create greys by reports of them and there they go back in time to inspire their own creation. |
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| Kamidio | Nov 15 2010, 05:36 PM Post #14 |
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| skwirlinator | Nov 15 2010, 05:41 PM Post #15 |
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Considering Environmental Factors Over Time The conditions we currently enjoy are but temporary conditions in an ever changing Universe. The conditions that are present now are not the same conditions that were present when life occurred on this planet. Nor will they be the same conditions that will occur in the future. Our environment is changing ever so slightly right now. Nothing is static. These changes build up over time. Over time: The Sun will grow hotter Our star is mid main sequence. The heavy elements are burning fairly steady but as it converts elements to heavier elements it will take more energy and become heavier/denser. Not only will it grow hotter its gravity will increase. The Moon is moving away As the Moon gradually departs the influence of the Earth's gravitational bonds its influence on tides and cycles will change. The offset of its current gravitational pull will diminish. Gradually and eventually the source for all gravity will be our planet. We will feel the full force of the planets gravity. Our Planet is cooling and slowing The Earth is slowing in its rotation. It is also cooling. The molten Iron at the core is solidifying and being pushed to the surface. Our heliopause is shrinking. More solar radiation, less heat conservation and longer periods of daylight. Our atmosphere is reducing Our atmosphere is very different than the atmosphere of this planet when life occurred. It is different from the dinosaurs as well. It will be different in the future too. Remember that if the heliopause diminishes too much our atmosphere might be blown off by solar wind. With higher Solar activity as the Sun ages the solar wind might be stronger as well. Natural Ecology is being disrupted Disappearing rain forests and green areas means less oxygen being converted. Increased population of animals means more carbon dioxide is being produced. Along with Humans changing the reflective footprint of the planet and our waste pollution we can add changes to wind and weather patterns from clear-cutting and urbanization. Just a few things to consider when trying to determine evolutionary changes that could lead to the Greys. |
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