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Wow what has the USA got against Barack; give the guy a break
Topic Started: Nov 4 2010, 01:11 AM (3,721 Views)
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@Flash, i believe the terrorist group is Al Quieda (i cant spell it), And the Yemen Oil Crisis is overrated, what so another middle eastern nation has oil, and terrorists who are anti-american. So does Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Kuwait. A crisis in Yemen is officially not the USA's business until they're attacked
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Right, if Big Oil has a problem with it they can hire other violent groups to sort things out.
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Well we are a Democratic Republic, but the word Democracy has become synonymous with Republicanism these days.
11 of the 22 world's stable and long lasting democracies are monarchies, though out of 203 nations in the world only 44 are monarchies.

And in Yemen the South Yemen Movement, Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, Al-Shabaab and the Aden-Abyan Islamic Army are involved.

And the USA is the world's sole superpower. If you don't want the responsibly, cede back the lands you stole and we'll take over again. If you are the only man in town with a gun, and there are no police, it's your job to protect your friends and the people you rely on.
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actually China can be considered a superpower, India will also reach superpower status within several decades, Brazil will be a superpower as well
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There are other superpowers, but the US has the highest average share (see here), followed by the EU and China. If you discount the EU, China has the second largest average share, and India the third (fourth if the EU is included).

Seriously, Obama is doing things for a reason. You can't just pull out of Iraq, without causing trouble. It isn't a stable situation and you can't just abandon it, without making yourself look bad. Obama is having to clean up after Bush, and it isn't easy when the mess is knee-deep.

Cutting down military spending? Closing bases? I'm not war mongering (at all), but the US needs to protect itself, considering it's place in current geopolitics. There is always potential for conflict. Peace for our time? Yeah right.

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Actually, we elect our leaders. So the majority of voters do consent to being governed by a certain leader. Plus, the US is a Republic and not a democracy, based on the idea that normal people/citizens do not know what's best for the country. Which is pretty smart, if you ask me.


Well... that is both good and bad, since you mustn't over or underestimate the intelligence of the populace. I mean, sure, the average guy doesn't know how to run a country, but if you ignore him and what his problems are, that isn't good at all.

Seriously though, if you dislike your form of government, try living in a dictatorship, or an anarchy. The latter is really just a nice way of saying "total and utter civil war"...

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Fuck the oil. Oil is a useless bunch of glorified mud. What we need are magnet trains!


Good luck running them without power.

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And our leaders in the Congress will not do what is best for the nation and decriminalize all drugs, which will result in a decrease of drug use and a drop in violent crime.


Yeah! Let's decriminalise drugs! It'll make everything so much better...

It may just be me, but whenever I hear someone ranting about how drugs should be legalised, I can't help but get the feeling that the person uses drugs and/or doesn't understand the dangers involved. not to make any accusations or anything silly like that, but that's just the feeling I get.

Yes, the dangers of drugs can be overstated (see here). There's a logic to that, it's to try to prevent people using those drugs. And it isn't as bad as denying, especially to others, that such drugs are danger-less, especially when they are particularly dangerous drugs.

Do I think people should be charged criminally if they are in posession of drugs for personal use? No. Do I think they should be charged if they posess large quantities of drugs and/or intend to sell drugs? Of course. There is no reason to punish a person, who instead may need help.

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11 of the 22 world's stable and long lasting democracies are monarchies, though out of 203 nations in the world only 44 are monarchies.


Are you still going on about how good Monarchies are, lamna? :P

Care to list these countries? I think it's a rather interesting topic.
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Oh yes, monarchies are the best. But only our type of monarchy.

As for population collapse to the point of no return, the number of Americans living outside cities, while, high, isn't going to get the country back up and running.

Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

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No. America is the only superpower. China has a lot of sway, economically but has nowhere near the sphere of influence the other superpowers had, and it has very limited power projection. The USA has 4 1/2 acres of sovreign US territory, where it's needed, when it's needed. China has an old Soviet Carrier that was never finished.

India's got great potential, after all it's what made Britain the world's paramount power but it won't be a superpower for another four or five decades. Far to many poor people and a very limited sphere of influence. Germany and Japan are more powerful at present.

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Cutting down military spending? Closing bases? I'm not war mongering (at all), but the US needs to protect itself, considering it's place in current geopolitics. There is always potential for conflict. Peace for our time? Yeah right.

Si vis pacem, para bellum. Though I do support pulling out of Okinawa and moving the facilities there to Guam.

As for legalising drugs, I'm all for harmless stuff like ecstasy and cannabis. All it's doing is creating criminals and harming people as the product is not subject to the same scrutiny other drugs and foods are, making money for criminals, filling prisons with people who've done nothing to endanger society and depriving people of legitimate jobs and the government of taxes.
And I've never drank (unless you could trying the odd sip of whatever as a kid), don't smoke and would never want to try anything else. I'm happy with my mind as it is, but I don't see the point in saying that you can't put a certain chemical compound into your own body.

All forms of governments are flawed, and one of the biggest with democracy is that to stay in power leaders need more public support than any other kind of government. Drugs have been built up as a monolithic sink for all social ills. Legalizing them will make the public think that party/person is callous and does not care about those suffering, and as T. Neo demonstrated, people will question whether the politician is a drug user themselves, and thus their complacency.

And here is the list.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Democratic_Is_the_American_Constitution%3F#List_of_countries_steadily_democratic_since_at_least_1950

Also of note, you live in the only republic with full gay rights, Marriage, Adoption, open military service the other 6 are monarchies. Well that's not entirely fair. Iceland is a republic and has the first two, and lacks a military. But then the USA is responsible for the defence of Iceland and Don't Ask, Don't Tell is still in place for now so I think I can get away with it still.
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lamna, that depends on your definition of superpower. If you put it that way, then nobody can really compete with the US...

No drug is "harmless". Not even the sweeties, that I eat to get a sugar rush, are "harmless". That's rubbish.
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Sugar isn't a drug. Drinking too much water will kill you if your body doesn't process out the excess.

I support global legalization of MARY J. but I get agitated when my friends smoke it, I don't smoke it and I have personal history that will prevent me from ever doing so.
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I know sugar isn't a drug, that's why I used that analogy.
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lamna, that depends on your definition of superpower. If you put it that way, then nobody can really compete with the US...
Now you're getting it.
And by harmless I meant no worse than alcohol or other legal drugs. Anything can harm you, even tophats.
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Harmless doesn't correlate to alchohol or cigarettes in any way though. :|
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Safe enough to be legal then? Never took you for a pedant.
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Except for something that doesn't exist.


I think a lot of athiests would disagree....
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