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Superpower conflict scenarios; Since I didn't want to clutter up the original topic...
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Finland was perfectly okay on their own. That had Simo "White MOTHER F**CKING Death" Hayha on their side.

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a point where numbers are superior to firepower and strategy? Uh what world are you living in? What, did you like just forget about the Romans,The Prussians,The British Empire, The Mongols, The Aztecs,The Spanish,The Portugese and a lot of large and powerful empires which had the MINORITY population and conquered the majority through superior weapons and strategy?
You can't compare any of those empires with what happened in WWII. The Second World War was a new kind of war, one in which civilians were intentionally the victims. Bombing a city from planes and brutally occupying it is far different from having armies meet on some barren wasteland and slice each other up with blades.

And how can you possibly say that about the Romans and Mongols? First of all, the Romans gained a large empire because they were practically the only civilization in the area; they fought barbarians. It was in no way a fair fight, in fact you could say they were overwhelmed. And the Mongols used their superior numbers and mobility to carve a swath of terror through Eurasia. Why do you think they're called the Mongol Horde? To sound classy?

To say the Aztecs had an empire is stupid. That's not the way things worked in Mesoamerica, war was a ritualistic thing. They didn't "conquer" anything, they just sacrificed more of everyone else and thus gained cultural dominance. And don't even get started on European empires, all they did was overwhelm peoples centuries behind them in terms of technology with superior firepower and terrorism.

I live on Earth, I'm not sure what world you're living in.
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Finland was defeated. They made them pay for it, but the USSR archived all it's aims.
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One man took out a huge chunk of the army with a hunting rifle, without a scope. He scared the frozen piss out of the Soviets so much they called him "Belaya Smert" literally "White Death". Now imagine him teaming up with Yadav, Alivin, Audie, and Mad Jack. No army would have stood before these giants of the battlefield.
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@Parasky, Err, You said that numbers are superior to weaponry and tactics, i stated numerous empires in fact subjugated a great many people through the use of superior weaponry and tactics, Like the Romans for example, a fact you just pointed out.
And World War 2, how does the bombing of civilians effect whether or not numbers are superior to firepower and strategy? After all what about the Battle of Britain? Sounds like the blokes with superior technology and weaponry as well as tactics won that fight.
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I would not call the Carthiginians,Greeks,Dacians, Ptolemaic Egyptians and the ancient Jews barbarians...that is a bad mistake Parasky...
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Lamna- i arranged them by order of who lost the most people out of the allies.
Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

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Who lost the most does not matter when it comes to deciding who contributed most. If Alien Space Bats from Outer Space fought for the allies, ending the wars in half a hour and losing nobody, they would have contributed most.
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@Everyone who thinks the russians could have replaced all their military gear quickly, look at a map of russia and all the countries that broke away from it at the end of the cold war. put your finger on Arc angel (a city in northern russia) draw your finger down to volgograd, from their continue straight down until you hit the turkish border. as soon as the germans had control of this area than their would be one industrial area in the entire USSR, i hope i don't have to tell you what that means
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Ooooh! Me Sir I know! The Germans would have had to occupy a vast area, 40% of Europe, full of a hostile local population, with supply lines stretched to breaking point as General Mud and General Winter ground them down.

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Good point, Lamna has the right idea, the logistics and morale were what won the Eastern Front, the quality/quantity of soviet troops was important but not as much as most of you think.

so can i stop patronising all of you now?
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No.

Lamna- well that's the other extreme isn't it. Generally, casualties and duration of action correlate... and territory gained or held too.
Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

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