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Superpower conflict scenarios; Since I didn't want to clutter up the original topic...
Topic Started: Oct 31 2010, 03:20 PM (1,812 Views)
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Communists being Comminists, they don't give up when they are beaten. Besides the Soviets had moved a good deal of their industry east of the Urals. The Nazis and allies had a hard enough time supplying Stalingrad, God knows how they would have maintained supply lines to Novosibirsk and Omsk.

Maybe if they had made peace with the United Kingdom and USA they could have won, but it's doubtful.
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T. Neo- i was actually thinking about Liechtenstein, but hey. :P

Anyway, the hand nuke can be a high weight, since you won't actually throw it. :rolleyes:
Drop it from a 'copter or something.

An antimatter bomb is fun and all, but the magnetic containment device is going to be bigger than a backpack. Plus, i wouldn't call that a nuke.

Anyway, the initiation energy can be supplied by a distant laser or something. The possibilities are fun!
Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

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@Parasky, No. without Britain and the USA supplying the Soviets, without the threat of Britain and the defenses that had to be stationed, without British troops preventing Hitler from gaining control of the Suez canal (whic would have given Hitler an immense amount of a strategic advantage). And Parasky, you obviously dont know how close Germany came to winning the Eastern Front, if Operation Barborrosa had actually been launched at the proper date (the beginning of summer,instead of halfway through) German troops would probably have control of the capital, Stalin would be dead and the Nazis would have a firm footing and position to wait out the russian winter and then continue the advance.No without the USA or Britain you can bet your ass the Third Reich would most likely still be with us.
As for a rifle being behind every blade of grass, your probably right. What i mean't about the stalemate of WW3 wasn't that it would be impossible, it would just be incredibly difficult, Russia is so large that occupation of it would be an immense logistical problem, The USA is full of patriotic citizens who would do everything possible to sabotage an occupation, China and India have such large populations that it would be incredibly hard to monitor and uncover a resistance movement which could be numbering in the millions. All of them have heavily patriotic citizens (though the USA more than others)
And you don't understand that the Red Army alone was twice the size of the German Wermacht, and growing by thousands every day. The USSR was a mighty river of infantry, sending in wave after wave of men, many unarmed due to lack of resources, to overwhelm any resistance they encounter. There is a point when numbers are superior to firepower and strategy. Stalin dying would have only served to strengthen the Soviet resolve; they literally worshiped him as a god. Germany was never close to winning on the Eastern Front, that was an impossible battle. Even if Hitler had drafted every single human being in the Reich and diverted all his military resources into fighting the Soviets, he still would have lost.

Stalin was not interested in strategy, he didn't need it. He knew that no matter how many people he lost, Germany would run out long before he did. It was a simple matter of statistics. Stalin could have suffered casualties rates as high as 80% and still probably put up a good fight against the Japanese.

EDIT: And us supply commies with anything?
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Waves of Unarmed Infantry wasn't the reason why the Soviets won, they won because the Wermacht were undersupplied for a prolonged war, simply put they quit often didn't have the fuel to run tanks, the ammunition for artillery and plenty of german soldiers had to steal clothes from dead russians in the winters, they were overrun with starvation and disease. THATS why they lost.
a point where numbers are superior to firepower and strategy? Uh what world are you living in? What, did you like just forget about the Romans,The Prussians,The British Empire, The Mongols, The Aztecs,The Spanish,The Portugese and a lot of large and powerful empires which had the MINORITY population and conquered the majority through superior weapons and strategy?
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Waves of Unarmed Infantry wasn't the reason why the Soviets won, they won because the Wermacht were undersupplied for a prolonged war, simply put they quit often didn't have the fuel to run tanks, the ammunition for artillery and plenty of german soldiers had to steal clothes from dead russians in the winters, they were overrun with starvation and disease. THATS why they lost.
a point where numbers are superior to firepower and strategy? Uh what world are you living in? What, did you like just forget about the Romans,The Prussians,The British Empire, The Mongols, The Aztecs,The Spanish,The Portugese and a lot of large and powerful empires which had the MINORITY population and conquered the majority through superior weapons and strategy?
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sorry for the double post
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Triple.

The Russians had better and more tnaks and could rpelace anything they lost, plane or tank. ALso, their cities were practically fortresses and Russians were more berserk in hand-to-hand.
Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

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Anyway, the hand nuke can be a high weight, since you won't actually throw it.
Drop it from a 'copter or something.


The problem is not about density, but mass. If you could theoretically pack enough mass into that space, the bomb would be denser than any element, and also far too heavy to carry by hand.

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An antimatter bomb is fun and all, but the magnetic containment device is going to be bigger than a backpack. Plus, i wouldn't call that a nuke.


Yeah, that was pretty much my point. But antimatter is the only thing that's going to give you such an energy density.

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Probably not. At best that'd be nightmarishly difficult to do.
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It seems like everyone is forgeting the other nations that helped bring down the Wehrmacht.

Greece. Do not piss off a nation that has a history of kicking your nation's ass.




Canada, Poland, Czechoslovakia. Underestimation leads to death.




Norway, Sweden, Denmark. Norway break the bomb, Sweden have your women woo Hitler, and Denmark, distract the Nazis.




France. they played a crucial part of the war. they might have lost, but they bot rid of enough Nazis that it counted.

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EDIT: And us supply commies with anything?
The Arctic Convoys and the Lend-Lease program.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_convoys_of_World_War_II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease_Sherman_tanks#USSR
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cedar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Corridor
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Fakey- the Russians, French, British, USA, Candians and Anzacs did the most, in that order.
Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

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The French did the most? The French surrendered and joined the Axis. The Free French and Resistance were not insignificant, but the USA and British Commonwealth contributed more.
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You guys still need to give credit to the warriors of the Frozen North. Norway sabatoged Hitler's bomb plans. Denmark played it cool and didn't attack the Nazi's, so the Nazi's thought Denmark was a safe haven. Somewhere down the line, Hitler decided that the soldiers shouldn't "do it" with impure humans, so he had Danish factories produce blow up dolls that looked like Swedish women. The Danes play a good distraction game while the Norwegians and Swedes pretty much snuck in and beat the hell out of the Nazi scum. Sounds to me like the Nodics could hold their ground.
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The Norwegians involved in the sabotage of the Norsk Hydro could only have done it that's to the UK, the Danes evacuation of the Jews was impressive but the Swedish did very little in the war as they were neutral. A lot volunteered to help protect Finland from the Soviets though.
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