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| Topic Started: Oct 27 2010, 01:29 AM (2,016 Views) | |
| seascorpion | Oct 29 2010, 04:38 PM Post #31 |
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Why Can't I Hold All These Mongols?
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Actually china makes most of its money from selling heavy mining and industrial equipment to developing nations in africa and south america. @Lamna, i agree entirely with your dread of what would happen if we faced a real challenging enemy like china,russia,india maybe even brazil could be counted into natons we shouldn't cross, after all if its not yet a major power it soon will be, brazil produces a lot of the worlds ethanol and you can bet your ass where gonna need a lot of ethanol in the near future. War with Russia or China would be very catastrophic and it's impossible to say who would win. war with India or Brazil would be equally hard to determine the winner |
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| SIngemeister | Oct 29 2010, 05:13 PM Post #32 |
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I think we would win against China (by we, I mean US, UK, whoever else wants to fight.) More nukes. Steve. |
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| T.Neo | Oct 29 2010, 05:26 PM Post #33 |
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Seascorp, that they make a lot of money with mining and industrial equipment doesn't remove the fact that western countries are still a large customer base. SInge, launch one nuke and you will have lost. The only winning move in the game of nuclear warfare is not to play. Edited by T.Neo, Oct 29 2010, 05:28 PM.
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| lamna | Oct 29 2010, 05:27 PM Post #34 |
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Sometimes my in-depth knowledge of warfare between 1853 and 1953 comes in handy. No I mean that all those states together could prove to be a viable threat. All that's stopping Russia being a Superpower is a lack of will. The Baltic, Central Asian and the Caucasian SSR's were not insignificant to the Soviet Union, but they were not vital. If Russia can gather up as many of the "America's a Jerk" nations it would have a very comfortable sphere of influence. In a conventional war, the USA wins, against everybody combined. They have fully half of the world's aircraft carriers, and they are nuclear powered super carriers. The USA can comfortable wait it out safe behind their oceanic moats. Canada's hard to defend and Mexico is easier to invade than invade from. As you go north the front line spreads out, stretching your forces thin. Sure maybe you could blockade the US until they gave in, but they would be able to last a very long time. And as I mentioned, they have a larger navy. Edited by lamna, Oct 29 2010, 05:43 PM.
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| T.Neo | Oct 29 2010, 05:43 PM Post #35 |
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All of them together... I doubt it. Particularly because I don't see it as very politically plausible. Also, how is Russia America-hating? I mean, it isn't like they're big buddies with the US, but it isn't like relations are what they were during the cold war... |
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| lamna | Oct 29 2010, 05:48 PM Post #36 |
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I'm just pointing out the USA's strategic advantage. I'm not saying Russia hates the USA, but relation's aren't the best. They don't like how everyone's going over to NATO now, and they really kicked up a fuss about the missile shield in Poland. Russia is the obvious choice for Anti-US states to gravitate towards, and they are. |
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| T.Neo | Oct 29 2010, 06:53 PM Post #37 |
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Oh no, my "All of them together? I doubt it" was referring to USA-hating nations ganging up, not the US facing every other nation on the planet. I doubt blockading the US would even work; it's a very large nation, that at least has the potential, to be self-sufficient. It is not a small island state, like say, the UK. I also don't think that a seaborne invasion on either coast would be easy. Invading either coast of Canada is going to be even harder, and invading Canada from the North would be very difficult due to the climate. Canada is also a very large country, and that terrain can't all be plain sailing. Despite that, the simple fact is that the US is the biggest and the best. After fighting (and winning) the Second World War and "winning" the cold war (well, the USSR collapsed- it wasn't really a "war" though), the US most definitely geared towards fighting a conventional war. They will kick your asses doing so. They have, in many- if not most, respects, the most advanced technology. I mean, the F-15 was considered the best fighter plane in the world. The F-22 has been, in testing, able to take on multiple F-15s without losses. There's a reason there's a ban on exports... |
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| seascorpion | Oct 29 2010, 08:49 PM Post #38 |
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Ok, seriously you can all get over the USA. no offense or anything, but get over it. The USA didn't win either the Cold war or WW2, the cold-war ended when the premier of the soviet union made a call for the disarmament of all nuclear weapons by 2000. the soviet union collapsed a year after the cold war was over due to internal strife over reforms made. World War 2 oddly enough was a world war, meaning that a fairly large amount of nations were involved. WW2 was won by the Allies, the USA had a big contribution to two theatres (the pacific theatre and the western front) but they were almost completely absent from the African theatre of war and the Eastern front. The USA won the pacific theatre, however the Anzacs were also in there (and notably were the first to defeat Japan's land army), the European theatre can only be called a victory for Russia, as they did most of the work. Africa was a victory for the British empire (this includes Australia,Canada,India & New Zealand as well as Britain). @Lamna, Seriously? I thought you were smarter than that. "Oh the USA can hide and stay where it is"- So can Russia and China, as soon as any US troops landed in China they would be swamped. China currently has a larger military than any other nation, if need be it can forcibly conscript until it has a military larger than the population of the USA. Europe invading Russia? do you have any idea how hard that would be? Russia has the largest amount of armour (tanks,APCs,etc) in the world. if Russia wanted to it could Blitzkrieg its way through to Germany. WW3 if it happened wouldn't be all about America, it would be about Europe or countries in Asia that are allies with the USA like South Korea, Taiwan and Japan |
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| Kamidio | Oct 29 2010, 09:25 PM Post #39 |
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| colddigger | Oct 29 2010, 10:38 PM Post #40 |
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I second that, nuclear weapons aren't for winning wars, they're for ending them. Blockading a country the size of a continent with as much varied terrain as the United States is a joke. I'm actually really amazed that it isn't already self-sufficient and cut itself off from the world economy, especially in this whole... down time... it's the corps and all that, they're world wide and can't help themselves get the cheapest labour and cheapest resources. I sometimes think that corporations should be banned, that there should be a sole owner... but then I chuckle at the thought. |
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| lamna | Oct 30 2010, 02:25 AM Post #41 |
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I not some some Americophile, frankly I think the USA was a mistake but you have to give them credit where credit is due. They were involved in the North African campaign and in the Pacific there is no question that they won what. The Commonwealth could not spare the ships to win in the Pacific and in Europe they might not have been decisive, but without them there could have been no Western Campaign, and without that the war would have lasted much longer and most of Europe would be made up of Soviet Puppets. I was not saying that the USA could win an offensive victory against everyone, I was saying that nobody could win against them. I was simple pointing out the US's military superiority, not talking about a probable WW3 scenario. |
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| seascorpion | Oct 30 2010, 02:31 AM Post #42 |
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What im saying is that WW3 is a stalemate. The USA can't be entirely defeated, even if you managed to occupy it then you would have an incredible resistance fighting against you. but the point is, niether can China,Russia or even possibly India |
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| Holben | Oct 30 2010, 02:48 AM Post #43 |
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The USA, most likely, wouldn't use nukes even if its borders were breached. Anyway, it can cluster bomb the hell out of anyone else. Plus, they've got the fourth and fifth most powerful countries in the world on their side. The Russo-Japanese war was a bit of a let down... Togo was pretty damn good though. The army helped destroy that dock, so it can't be called a fully naval affair. |
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Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea. "It is the old wound my king. It has never healed." | |
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| lamna | Oct 30 2010, 10:02 AM Post #44 |
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It was shame that Japan did not get all of Karafuto, and the planned Finnish and Polish uprisings never came about but otherwise it seemed a perfectly decent war. |
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| Holben | Oct 30 2010, 11:36 AM Post #45 |
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Treaty of Shimoda was fairly much ignored though. Then the treaty of Portsmouth was ignored. Treaty of San Francisco was accepted. Yeah, i remembered it! |
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Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea. "It is the old wound my king. It has never healed." | |
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