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| Possibility of sapient lissamphibian | |
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| Topic Started: Aug 27 2010, 05:44 AM (706 Views) | |
| Ook | Aug 27 2010, 05:44 AM Post #1 |
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I again read book called Válka s mloky(war with the salamanders or something like that)from Karel Čapek. Is there any possibility of sapient lissamphibian? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_with_the_Newts i found something about this book on wikia |
   
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| Ddraig Goch | Aug 27 2010, 07:05 AM Post #2 |
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I don't think it's possible whilst mammals, reptiles and birds dominate the place, but in theory, I suppose it could be. If there was a sapient lissamphibian, it would come from Anura or Urodela. I doubt that caecilians would develop sapience before frogs or salamanders. |
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| Holben | Aug 27 2010, 01:12 PM Post #3 |
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Salamanders probably have the best chance, but they need definite nervous and strcutural reconfiguration. A theropod-like salamander is the best, if implausible, route. |
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Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea. "It is the old wound my king. It has never healed." | |
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| Ook | Aug 27 2010, 02:08 PM Post #4 |
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čapeks salamanders are relatives of helbenders and japanese giant salamander but they re different,they re bipedal,they have different speech and live only in salt water |
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| Holben | Aug 27 2010, 02:10 PM Post #5 |
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The ones from here? Spoiler: click to toggle Not likely. The osmotic pressure prevents newts from living in saline water anyway. |
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Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea. "It is the old wound my king. It has never healed." | |
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| Ook | Aug 27 2010, 02:17 PM Post #6 |
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you could read this book 
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| Toad of Spades | Aug 27 2010, 09:29 PM Post #7 |
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If they evolved they would be limited in terms of where they could live. They could evolve dry toad-like skin as well as gathering water for their eggs and offspring, but they would depend heavily on water, making droughts very devastating. |
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| Pando | Aug 27 2010, 09:39 PM Post #8 |
Obey or I'll send you to the moon
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They could become synapsid-like before becoming sapient though. |
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| Toad of Spades | Aug 27 2010, 09:43 PM Post #9 |
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What features do you mean by synapsid-like? |
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| Pando | Aug 27 2010, 09:48 PM Post #10 |
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Well, scales aren't an option but things like amniote eggs and water-dry skin. |
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| Toad of Spades | Aug 27 2010, 10:18 PM Post #11 |
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Would they technically even be considered lissamphibians anymore if they evolve those features? Also sapience could help with the need for eggs to be in water, as they could craft some kind of carrying device to carry water and their eggs in. They would probably need to be near water to keep a steady supply to care for their eggs and the larval stages of their young. Once the young don't need to stay in water anymore then they could join the group. |
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| Pando | Aug 27 2010, 10:53 PM Post #12 |
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I don't see how true lissamphibians can be sentient, I think that they will have to be descended from lissamphibians. |
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| Ook | Aug 28 2010, 03:33 AM Post #13 |
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salamanders from this book are limited to water,they die soon on land on sun,but at night they go to land they reproduction is really weird,its something between partnerogenezion(or waht the hell is this called in english) and normall reproduction. |
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| The Dodo | Aug 28 2010, 05:01 AM Post #14 |
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I think the translation your looking for is Amplexus. For anyone who wants to read the book I found a site which has the whole book translated into English. War with the Newts |
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| Ook | Aug 28 2010, 07:36 AM Post #15 |
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i must say that english version is not too good as czech D: |
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