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| Alterniverse; A world where dinosaurs, mammals, notosuchids, pterosaurs are dominant | |
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| Cephylus | Aug 5 2010, 05:55 AM Post #1 |
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Okay here is a project I've been working on for some time. It has a very common theme, what if the asteroid never crashed at the end of Cretaceous and if dinosaurs had survived as the dominant clade on Earth. I already have a website on wikidot but I haven't yet discussed it much on this forum. I've been working on it alone except for some help from by paleontology crazed friends but now I'm posting it here for some suggestions and corrections since I want to make this project as plausible as possible and my ideas are limited. So here are the general settings for this project: - First, most importantly, the asteroid missed and so dinosaurs went on as the dominant clade. Although many dinosaurs were killed off during many extinction events in the Cenezoic, they still are the dominant land vertebrates in the present. - As you can guess, mammals don't fare well as they do in HE but they are still one of the secondary major clades and a successful group. They fare far better than their Mesozoic ancestors with dinosaurs. However, mammals are still the prey and dinosaurs are still the predators..... with some exceptions - Pterosaurs are one of the other successful clades. They fill various flyer niches occupied by birds in HE. There are some flightless animals that fill large omnivore/carnivore niches. - Mosasaurs aren't so lucky in this New World. They survive and thrive in some places, but they are not the dominant sea vertebrates and their diversity reduced as they are more and more pushed off the stage by marine mammals and penguin-like sea dinos. - Champsosaurs are still around and some managed to quite successfuly establish themselves in semi aquatic/ marine niches. - Notosuchids are another successful clade and they range from small insectivores to gigantic dinosaur guzzling sabre toothed apex predators. All of them are heterodont and they distinctly resemble mammals. So what do you think of this world? I'll be posting more specific stuff when this draws some attention..... Also I need help with those Latin names for classfication.....
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| dialforthedevil | Aug 24 2010, 01:17 AM Post #76 |
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great animals cant wait to see some more of your amazing artwork for this project
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| Pando | Aug 24 2010, 10:30 AM Post #77 |
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How about North American choristoderes too? Also, how about changing the gharial-like snout to a broader, crocodile-like snout? |
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| The Dodo | Aug 24 2010, 08:15 PM Post #78 |
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He said the jaw is thicker, not sure if he meant broader as well though. |
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| Cephylus | Aug 26 2010, 09:07 AM Post #79 |
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Oh, I literally ment thicker, not broader, with stronger jaws. But I think North American choristoderes with broad jaws are a good idea, like alligators? And Eusuchians do produce some terrestrial apex predator forms, but overall they are similar semi-aquatic predators. And thanks for the praise Dial. I've got my scanner back (finally!) and i'll be posting some pictures
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| The Dodo | Aug 27 2010, 02:15 AM Post #80 |
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Broader jaws would be better for taking down large tetrapods, they make it easier to grab them and they can have a stronger bite-force. |
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| Ook | Aug 27 2010, 09:08 AM Post #81 |
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something that i drawed for cephlaken
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| Cephylus | Sep 6 2010, 07:16 AM Post #82 |
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Great!! a unenlagiine!! new species: North American Choristodere Size: 6~7 metres, up to 1000 killograms Diet: hypercarnivorous; an ambush predator of large game Habitat: rivers, lakes, wetlands, marshlands; mostly large freshwater body habitats but sometimes ventures out into brackish water Distribution: southeastern United States The North American Choristodere is one of the few members of the broad-snouted choristodere clade. A large animal, this animal has size and strength comparable to that of HE's American Alligators, or even Saltwater Crocodiles. Like a normal choristodere, this animal lacks the crocodilian armor and has a long, dappled scaly hide of dark yellow and dull brownish black. However, unlike most of its choristodere relatives, this animal not only preys on fish and aquatic animals, but has an appetite for large terrestrial animals as well. It is an apex predator in the environment, larger and more powerful than few eusuchian species found in the same environment. They have been even known to take down large predatory dinosaurs. Unlike the mostly narrow jaws of an average choristodere, the broad-snouted choristodere clade has, as their name indicates, broader and stronger jaws apt for taking down large, struggling prey. These animals play an important role in the wetland environments, controlling the herbivore populations so that they will not overtax the native vegetation. Like most choristoderes, the North American Choristodere can withstand lower temperatures better than eusuchians and therefore usually occurs at the more northern hemisphere compared to eusuchians. North American Choristoderes have a relatively slow metabolism, like crocodilians, which is the reason that these animals occur in large numbers in a relatively small amount of space. The bulls grow extremely aggressive and territorial during the mating seasons, and like American Alligators, they 'roar' by sucking in air and releasing it although they possess no vocal cords, which is truly an impressive sound. The males are generally larger than the females. They mate underwater, and after the ritual the female comes ashore the banks in large numbers and burys their eggs in the dirt. Tall Wagaraduluku Size: 6 meters, weighs 800 killograms Diet: omnivorous; nearly all organic matter besides leaves and bark Habitat: riparian, lacustrine environments Distribution: native only to New Zealand The Tall Wagaraduluku is a species of flightless azhdarchid only found in New Zealand. Wagaradulukus have a very giraffe-like body build, with a long, flexible neck far more maneuverable compared to their flying relatives. Almost no trace of flight remain in the Wagaradulukus; their wings and wing membranes are completely eradicated, and their lanky, long forelimbs are specialised for cursoriality and for a completely terrestrial lifestyle, and they also have a single keratinized digit for support that evolved into a pseudo-hoof, which aids their cursorial lifestyle. Their forelimbs are about 10% longer than their hindlimbs, giving them a weird, hunched and rather giraffe-like stance. They also have extremely powerful legs which enables the Wagaradulukus to sprint in bursts of incredible speed up to 60 killometers per hour. Tall Wagaradulukus have a relatively lean, narrow and light body build; although these large animals have a height of 6 meters, they only weigh 800 killograms. They are covered with soft, downy fur of a dull brownish color, streaks of darker brown stripes on their legs, yellowish white on their bellies and very distinctive dark reddish brown coloring on their faces and the tips of their bills. They are mostly large browsers who mostly feeds on plant matter, but they will also feast on any natural matter that is organic except for leaves and bark. They are perfect large browsing herbivores, and has serrated bill edges for scooping up mounds of plant material, and vast, voluminous guts which can store considerable amounts of consumed food. They, like HE's ratites, also feed on the carcasses of dead animals, invertebrates and other small aquatic organisms found inside the riparian environments they live in. Tall Wagaraduluku bulls make large bellowing noises in mating season to attract females, and often engage in small battles of kicking and pecking, although no serious injury is ever caused in these rows. When it seems apparent that one male is losing, the weaker bull usually slinks off voluntarily. Wagaraduluku mating is polygamous; a few of the strongest and the healthiest bulls claim the cows and impregnates them. Wagaradulukus, in mating procedure, go through a strange ritual of 'dancing', doing complicated successions of movements. Edited by Cephylus, Sep 7 2010, 06:45 AM.
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| Rick Raptor | Sep 6 2010, 10:32 AM Post #83 |
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Don´t mix up tonnes and kilograms ![]() Well, now I have one question: Why are big-game hunting Choristoderes getting so popular in Aternate Evolution scenarios lately? JohnFaa once wrote an essay on DeviantArt were he described several different species of fictional descendants of Choristoderes, and all of them were large (some larger than modern crocodilians) and mostly fed not only on fish but also terrestrial prey. Yes, I know about Choristoderes having been a rather successfull group of animals, but still, the forms closest to a crocodile had the long slender snout of a gharial. So why are their descendants always becoming broad-snouted big-game hunters? I also knew it´s only a matter of time before you include an Azhdarchid in your project. While I like the idea, I´m not sure whether the cursorial lifestyle is very practical on New Zealand (wasn´t it mostly covered in forests?) |
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| Toad of Spades | Sep 6 2010, 04:09 PM Post #84 |
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I have some questions. In places where choristoderes hold the semi-aquatic predator of large prey animals, what do eusuchians do, or are they even present at all? Are the ones that eat large prey animals limited to North America? Where are choristoderes in general located? Are "normal" choristoderes worldwide? Edited by Toad of Spades, Sep 6 2010, 04:12 PM.
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| The Dodo | Sep 6 2010, 04:43 PM Post #85 |
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I think the choristoderes occupy colder environments while eusuchians live in warmer areas. |
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| Cephylus | Sep 8 2010, 09:05 AM Post #86 |
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Thanks for pointing that out about the killograms I always get mixed up And i dunno about Johnfaa's choristoderes I knew he had them in Terra Alternativa which is the reason I was inspired to include choristoderes as well but I didn't know he made species Plus the crocodile-style was inspired by the wikipedia article on simoedosaurs and 'bout the cursoriality I'll think about that a bit more and Dodo's right about the choristoderes |
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| Cephylus | Sep 9 2010, 09:41 AM Post #87 |
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Striped Paraleo Size: 83 centimeters tall at the shoulder, 1.6 meters from head to tail, 130~170 killograms Diet: predatorial hypercarnivores; young hardrosaurs, ceratopsians and sometimes small therapods, but also an opportunistic scavenger, feeding on carrion or stealing kills from smaller mammalian and dinosaurian predators Habitat: semi-arid open scrub and woodland Distribution: found throughout locations of semi-arid climate in Eurasia In the Mesozoic, dinosaurs were always at the top of the food chain, the dinosaurs mostly being the predators and the mammals being the prey. In Alterniverse, the position did not shift very dramatically, but some carnivorous mammals rose to challange dinosaurian supremacy. An example is the Paraleos, a group of predatorial metatherians which evolved into large, powerful and rather specialized predators similar in appearance and behavior to the big felines of HE. The Striped Paraleo is a large predatorial member of the Paraleo family found in Eurasia. This animal's size and power is comparable to that of female tigers or lions, having an extremely robust build with powerful, crushing jaws and forelimbs. Although the animal also has well-built hindquarters, the forelimbs were thicker and lengthier in proportion to the hindlimbs, and muscle mass destributions are also concentrated in the upper part of the Paraleo's body, indicating that this animal is not built for cursoriality, and it indeed is an ambush predator. Striped Paraleos also have rather thick, heavy tails similar to that of HE's kangaroos to balance and support the animal's body when it rears up briefly to strike at the prey. The animal also posseses retractable claws to protect them from being worn down from contact with the ground surface. The Striped Paraleo is also noted for its enlarged incisors, similar to canines found on carnivorans of HE. The incisors are specialized for severing the neck vertabrae and spinal cord in a single bite. The animal also has extremely powerful jaw muscles for crushing bones to get at the marrows. Paraleos look very similar to the marsupial lions of HE, except that they have flatter faces and a thicker, elongated and bushy tail. The Striped Paraleo is covered in fur of a dark brownish shade with small white spots between the neck and the shoulders, with streaks of white horizontal stripes running down the back. Paraleos are mostly solitary animals, and only meet for a very brief period of courtship in mating season. The male detects its mate by smelling pheromones given off by females. The female gives birth to usually 2 to 3 offsprings, and carrys them around in her pouch for about hundred days, until the cubs mature enough to be educated in short hunting expeditions with their mother. Tree-dwelling Lion-Bear Size: 120~130 centimeters, up to 100 killograms Diet: hypercarnivorous; favors large prey Habitat: scrublands and woodlands Distribution: found throughout southeastern Central America and the Carribean islands The Lion-Bears are unique animals, a group of hypercarnivorous metatherians which took to an arboreal lifestyle and adopted a strictly carnivorous diet with their incisors formerly used for knawing evolved into canine-like dentition which increases the effect of a lethal bite to their prey. The strangest aspect of this animal is its hunting tactic. This metatherian is an arboreal ambush predator, waiting in overhanging tree branches and leaping down on passing prey to deliver a single powerful deathbite which will dismember and sometimes completely crush the victim's neck vertebrae and spinal cord, instantly killing the prey or at least causing complete immobility. Like the Paraleos, the Lion-Bears posses retractable felinelike claws, a trait which protects their claws from wearing down every time the animal leaps down to the ground surface from trees. The animal also bears enlarged hoofed claws set on semi-opposable claws for grappling, slashing at the prey and eventually disembowling the animal. The thumb digits are also an adaption for an arboreal lifestyle, to provide sure footing on branches. The hind paw digits shows complete syndactyly, the second and the third digits being fused together, but the other digits are all seperately functional. The animal also exhibits unique dentition, similar to that of HE's thylacoleos. The Lion-Bears exhibit huge, blade-like carnassial premolars which were effectively used in shearing chunks of flesh and crushing bones. Lion-Bears are covered in a downy coat of a light brownish shade, with streaks of vertical reddish-black stripes running down their backs, and the head covered with distinct yellowish white fur. Like many other large metatherian predators except for Pseudo-Canids, these animals are solitary predators and in mating season, detects a mate by sniffing out pheromones excreted by other individuals. Dart Dragon Size: 98~110 centimeters, 4~6 killograms Diet: mainly fish, but sometimes small reptiles, amphibians and invertebrates Habitat: shallow, temperate waters of coral reefs Distribution: in shallow continental shelf oceans of Southeastern Asia Dart Dragons are small, rather generalistic marine choristoderes found in the oceans of Southeastern Asia. These small, reptilian predators are extremely swift predators, as their name indicates. They have elongated, narrowed, slender jaws similar to that of HE gharials, and shares the same purpose; an adaption to their diet. Their snouts, like so many other choristoderes, is ideally suited for piscivory. The thin, razor-sharp and needle-like teeth also is an adaption for catching anything small enough to eat. Dart Dragons have finned tails and webbed feet similar to flippers, an adaption to a totally aquatic lifestyle, as Dart Dragons rarely venture onto dry land and spends most of its time in sea in its whole lifetime. They are colored in a shade of brownish grey dappled with green and blue. The bellies are colored in pale yellow. Once in a few years, Dart Dragons comes ashore in large numbers to lay eggs. Like HE turtles, Dart Dragons bury their eggs in the beach sand, usually in the numerous small islands of the Southeast Asian sea, where predators are relatively scarce. Offsprings grow up alone, depending on instinct, and after some four years, the juveniles become mature enough to hunt large prey such as bigger fish. River Dart Dragon Size: 3~4 meters Diet: carnivorous; mostly fish, but sometimes large reptiles and aquatic mammals, including smaller River Dart Dragons and occasionally feeds on carrion Habitat: freshwater bodies, mostly calmer parts of large rivers, although also found in marshlands, swamps, mangroves and large lakes Distribution: across subtropical and tropical Southeastern China A middle-sized predatory choristodere, the River Dart Dragons are relatives of the smaller and more marine-adapted Dart Dragons. These quick, efficient fish hunters are found throughout large freshwater bodies in subtropical and tropical Southeastern China. As their name indicates, they are mostly found in calmer areas of deep, fast running rivers, but are also commonly found in other freshwater bodies such as marshlands and lakes. Unlike most Dart Dragons, River Dart Dragons are less piscivorous, feeding on any moving thing that they come across including smaller individuals of the same species. River Dart Dragons are also occasionally seen attacking small birds found in riparian environments. These carnivores are also commonly seen scavenging on the carcasses of large animals in large numbers on riverbanks. The physical attributes of River Dart Dragons are not well suited for long-time terrestrial activity, having rather thin and weakly built legs with heavily webbed feet. As a result, these animals spend most of their time in water, crawling onto land only to bask in the sun or to lay and bury eggs. However, River Dart Dragons possess muscular, finned and paddle-like tails which are used as the main method of propulsion when they are swimming. In shallower water, they use their webbed feet to push themselves along the bottom. River Dart Dragons are covered in thick, scaly hides colored mostly in dull olive-green and brown, dappled with dark greenish-yellow, with pale light yellowish-white bellies. They lack the crocodilian armor like all choristoderes. In mating season, males exhibit distinctive shades of bright yellow and darker green, used to attract females, who are larger in size compared to males, with distinctive horn-like keratinous growths sprouting from their foreheads above their eyes. Every spring once a year, when mating season approaches, a special kind of horomone is excreted by females and released into the water, where males can sense the horomones with special adaptions in their naval cavities and which eventually leads them to the females. After the male individuals are drawn in, the strongest and the healthiest claims the female. The River Dart Dragon male and female then begins a mating ritual; a kind of 'dance' mainly consisting of the two individuals coiling and entwining themselves around each other. After the mating ritual, the female comes ashore alone on the river bank and lays about 18 eggs. Then she burys the eggs in sand and mud, covering the top with dried mud, dirt and decaying plant matter to make the nest seem less obivous. For some time, the female guards the nest close by until the eggs hatch. The mother, when the eggs are hatched, is noted by a sharp, high-pitched whistling sound given off by the hatchlings, similar to crocodile hatchlings. She raises the offsprings for a short period of time until she leaves them. The juveniles take about 2 years to mature. |
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| Cephylus | Sep 12 2010, 09:07 AM Post #88 |
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Dappled Killiquin Size: 1~1.1 meters, approximately 5~7 killograms, although variations can be extreme Diet: omnivorous; mostly a highly selective browser, eats soft, nutritious young leaves, herbs, flowers, any kind of available fruit, also commonly found feeding on small invertebrates such as worms and insects, occasionally pecks at flesh on carrion and adults sometimes hunt for small lizards and frogs Habitat: temperate or subtropical forests Small omnivores of North America and Europe, Killiquins are tiny pachycephalosaurs, among the smaller ornithischians in this world. Killiquins have a fairly conservative pachycephalosaur form, except that they have a leaner, lighter and more delicate-looking build compared to most pachycephalosaurs, with longer necks and sharp foreclaws. A notable feature of these small pachycephalosaurs is that that they have 'hands' with long, grasping fingers and opposable first digits, thumbs, for picking up food items. The first digit also bears razor sharp claws which are used as weapons for defense against predators or as a weapon in territorial fights between males in mating season. Killiquins generally have large, pale eyes, sharp faces and relatively small, narrow beaks. Dappled Killiquins are beautifully colored animals, as they are colored in a shade of light violet and pink, dappled with splashes of darker purple, with a blueish tinge on their backs. Their forequarters are covered in a bushy mane of light greyish fur-like feathers, running down the neck and forming a kind of 'cape' between the shoulders and the neck. Males have larger, darker and overall more impressive manes compared to females; one of the various methods the Dappled Killiquin males uses to attract females. Another unique feature of the Dappled Killiquins is that these small animals have long, erectile barbed qill-like feathers, which are loosely attatched to the skin, protruding out from their tales sideways. A threatened Killiquin will shift its position to a quadruped stance, points its tail upward, and whacks any enemy hard with its qilled tail. In mating season, Dappled Killiquins excrete horomones to draw each other, as they usually rarely gather in large numbers, and males also make high-pitched squealing noises to draw females, and up to 3 males at once will engage in a small battle of clawing each other with their thumb claws. The final winner naturally claims the female. Dappled Killiquin males are generally larger, more aggressive and brightly colored compared to females, and once two individuals are mated, they form an almost lifelong monogamous pair, the two working in a team to gather food and defend their nest. Females reproduce up to 15 eggs at once, which are directly incubated by mostly the females, while the male mostly gathers food for himself and his mate, but positions are occasionally shifted. Prairie Killiquin Size: 2.3~3 meters, 70~90 killograms Diet: mostly herbivorous; a browser that will feed on herbs, soft shoots, leaves from small shrubs and any kind of available fruit, occasionally invertebrates such as insects, flesh from carrion of large and middle sized animals, excretements from large grazing herbivores, juveniles are more omnivorous and will mostly feed on invertebrates and sometimes slow-moving mammals and reptiles Habitat: temperate grasslands, especially North American prairies, more specifically the mesic regions Distribution: very widely spread across the Great Plains of U.S and Canada, found across North and South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa and Canadian lands such as Alberta and Manitoba Prairie Killiquins are another species of the Killiquins, small North American and European pachycephalosaurs. They are specifically prairie-dwelling animals, as their name indicates, and is found across a relatively wide range across North America, mainly in the Great Plains. They look fairly similar to most Killiquins in general body shape, although they are far more larger and stouter, overall less delicate-looking and relatively robust. They have more pronounced domed heads, which are used by males for butting each other in mating season, with long, curved horn-like protrusions colored in a threatening shade of bright violte sprouting from their foreheads, which can easily gore the side of some small carnivore. However, they lack the sharp thumb claws most Killiquins possess. Prairie Killiquins also have broader faces than most smaller Killiquin species, with more pronounced jawbone and cheek protrusions, giving their faces a boxier look. They also have large, pale eyes protected by brow ridges, with small beaks in proportion to their body size. Prairie Killiquins also possess the erectile barbed tail qills which Killiquins are famous for. Prairie Killiquin tail qills are colored in metallic violet which matches their forehead horns; both weapons are used to defend themselves against solitary predatory dromaeosaurs or pack-hunting small tyrannosaurs such as Volfs, and even though these Killiquins occasionally falls prey to the latter attacking in large numbers, Prairie Killiquins fear almost nothing on the Prairie. For this reason, small, docile ceratopsians are often found grazing alongside Prairie Killiquins. Prairie Killiquins are colored in bold, lurid shades. Their backs are covered in downy, metallic silvery blue fur-like feathers mottled with metallic gold spots. Streaks of vertical dark violet stripes run down their sides, with their bellies colored in a shade of dark, golden yellow. These pachycephalosaurs are highly omnivorous, with a relatively wide and flexible range of diet (juveniles are less herbivorous compared to adults). They are initially browsing herivores; they will feed on almost any browsing plant matter, including twigs and bark. Given a chance, Prairie Killiquins can consume almost any organic matter found in their habitats, including slow moving skinks and guzzling on flesh from fresh Volf kills. Male Prairie Killiquins are larger than females and are colored in a bit more vivid scheme. Males also possess relatively pronounced horns compared to females, which they use in territorial combats in mating season. The combats are not very serious; a brief battle of wrestling with beaks and butting each other lightly on the sides. Prairie Killiquins form a bond between two individuals and found in pairs, but while they are not completely polygamous, they are not completely monogamous as well; both the male and the female in a pair will occasionally share brief courtships with individuals from other pairs; a strategy to produce offsprings with superior traits. A female produces up to five offsprings a year. A pair builds a nest consisting of decaying plant matter, twigs, dried mud and dirt. The eggs are directly incubated by both male and female individuals, and hatched offsprings take about 2 to 3 years to completely mature. Diet: |
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| The Dodo | Sep 13 2010, 01:44 AM Post #89 |
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Great concepts , you've obviously spent a lot of time on this. Love the Killiquin.
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| Ook | Sep 13 2010, 08:16 AM Post #90 |
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yea,i am watching this project too,but i dont always write comments |
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cant wait to see some more of your amazing artwork for this project
I've got my scanner back (finally!) and i'll be posting some pictures






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