Deer and Antelopes After Man

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Deer and Antelopes After Man
Topic Started: Aug 1 2010, 12:03 PM (3,134 Views)
Alloclaw	Aug 1 2010, 12:03 PM Post #1
Newborn Posts: 48 Group: Members Member #338 Joined: Jul 2, 2010 Area of expertise: Xenobiology Nationality: American Favorite Quote: "Evolution is like a road, there are many twists and turns	Do you think that Deer will survive After Man and if so what do you think will become of them?
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Ook	Aug 2 2010, 12:45 PM Post #76
not a Transhuman Posts: 2,933 Group: Members Member #282 Joined: Mar 10, 2010 Gender: Male	northern subspecies are generally bigger,southern smaller,sompare indian or arabian wolf with carpathian wolf smaller wolf and bigger hyena...hyena wins..i wonder why all pictures where is hyena fighting with wolf are northern subspecies



Alloclaw	Aug 2 2010, 01:23 PM Post #77
Newborn Posts: 48 Group: Members Member #338 Joined: Jul 2, 2010 Area of expertise: Xenobiology Nationality: American Favorite Quote: "Evolution is like a road, there are many twists and turns	Holbenilord Aug 2 2010, 12:04 PM JohnFaa Aug 2 2010, 05:32 AM Quote: WOlves are the most efficient predatirs out of all the ones you mentioned, the fastest and one of the most intelligent. They have a good foothold and can survive in all of the USA, whereas all the others are confined to the south. A hyena is smaller, slower and has less body strength than a wolf. And wolf packs are one of the most advanced social structures in the world. I hope you are joking. Do you know how big, strong and intelligent a hyena is? Those animals even have politics, while wolves are still just a hive mind controlled by a breeding pair. Sir, you did no homework regarding the social structures of pack hunters, let along any research on hyenas. Seriously, even on today modern striped hyenas wipe out their wolf competitors on the middle east! I was joking and exaggerating in some areas, but it's stretching it to call them a hive and-or inferior in social politics. Yes, they do. In the middle east, where it's hot. Wolves do far better OOP NORTH. There were actually cave heynas that lived in the frigid plains of Northern Europe....and bones show Cave Heyna predation on Wolves.... Wolves are screwed if Spotted Heynas adapt to the north.....
	Snaiad is Awesome!!


OmegaBeaver	Aug 2 2010, 01:33 PM Post #78
Adolescent Posts: 199 Group: Members Member #180 Joined: Jun 8, 2009	But they wont, they cant escape zoos. Unless a breeding population is accidently released by humans, they wont survive once humans are gone. Once again, zoo animals will not mae it out of thier enclosures for the most part. If some do they will be minimal and spread out, and most likely have escaped because of hunger. Already being hungry they will end up getting killed. Zoo animals will not survive.



Ook	Aug 2 2010, 01:58 PM Post #79
not a Transhuman Posts: 2,933 Group: Members Member #282 Joined: Mar 10, 2010 Gender: Male	actually,after dramatic flood during 1990 or 80,some Barbary sheeps managed to escape from zoo Plzeň in Czech republic.They still live here and they are rather sucessfull and their number grows..generally its not impossible,but only some species could survive and create sucessfull population



OmegaBeaver	Aug 2 2010, 02:10 PM Post #80
Adolescent Posts: 199 Group: Members Member #180 Joined: Jun 8, 2009	Bexi Aug 2 2010, 01:58 PM actually,after dramatic flood during 1990 or 80,some Barbary sheeps managed to escape from zoo Plzeň in Czech republic.They still live here and they are rather sucessfull and their number grows..generally its not impossible,but only some species could survive and create sucessfull population Yes but thats because something released them, in this case a flood. And on top of that sheep tend to be kept in larger numbers than other animals. If humans dissapear whos to say how long it'll take for a natural disaster to release animals, the disaster may never even come.



Ook	Aug 2 2010, 02:16 PM Post #81
not a Transhuman Posts: 2,933 Group: Members Member #282 Joined: Mar 10, 2010 Gender: Male	many zoos stop using iron fences,they rather use glass,wood and electric fences



OmegaBeaver	Aug 2 2010, 02:24 PM Post #82
Adolescent Posts: 199 Group: Members Member #180 Joined: Jun 8, 2009	You point being? The glass is made to not break. Niether is the wood, and the electric fences niether.



Ook	Aug 2 2010, 02:28 PM Post #83
not a Transhuman Posts: 2,933 Group: Members Member #282 Joined: Mar 10, 2010 Gender: Male	animals could jump out from exibith after electric fence is off,also some people could open exibiths,before human extinction..and also starving or scared animals could go away easier



OmegaBeaver	Aug 2 2010, 02:36 PM Post #84
Adolescent Posts: 199 Group: Members Member #180 Joined: Jun 8, 2009	Jump over fences? Really. Most fenced enclousures have ditches from the fence to the enclosure. Animals trying to "jump" would fall and die and starve not being able to get back up. Enclosures without ditches have higher fences. Animals wont be able to jump over them.



Practically Uninformed	Aug 2 2010, 03:03 PM Post #85
Informed enough to care Posts: 1,570 Group: Members Member #274 Joined: Feb 20, 2010 Nationality: Born in DC, bred in SC, now in NJ. A partial citizen of Tartarus Favorite Quote: "Ya gotta put the soup-drinker in the flute-lips, and shake it all up!"	Besides, why would they want to? Zoo animals have grown up with the notion that those big saggy things will always be feeding them. That's why, in an electric fence enclosure, you don't see the animals continuously stalking around or lunging at their enclosure.
	You may be a king or a lil' street sweeper, but sooner or later, you'll dance with the reaper!


OmegaBeaver	Aug 2 2010, 04:57 PM Post #86
Adolescent Posts: 199 Group: Members Member #180 Joined: Jun 8, 2009	Practically Uninformed Aug 2 2010, 03:03 PM Besides, why would they want to? Zoo animals have grown up with the notion that those big saggy things will always be feeding them. That's why, in an electric fence enclosure, you don't see the animals continuously stalking around or lunging at their enclosure. Exactly, few would grasp the idea that the feeders wont be comming back. Those that due will do so after a lot of hunger making them weak, jumping fences maybe if there isnt a ditch. If there is they are screwed, if not then thier weakness wont let them make it, and IF they do make it they will certainly be few in number. Weak and tired, they will scavenge the forgotten metal cities until they die of heat(cities are hot) are of starvation. If they make it out, weakness will let prey run away, and soon an American wild predator may just gang up on it(Wolves.) In other words tyhey die. And why in the world would people release animals? Like really. Oh the worlds gonna end, lets waist time releasing the zoo animals like the tigers, who are hungry, and once released will eat us! Great idea.



Ook	Aug 2 2010, 05:18 PM Post #87
not a Transhuman Posts: 2,933 Group: Members Member #282 Joined: Mar 10, 2010 Gender: Male	for cleaning corpses



Practically Uninformed	Aug 2 2010, 08:01 PM Post #88
Informed enough to care Posts: 1,570 Group: Members Member #274 Joined: Feb 20, 2010 Nationality: Born in DC, bred in SC, now in NJ. A partial citizen of Tartarus Favorite Quote: "Ya gotta put the soup-drinker in the flute-lips, and shake it all up!"	Then let your dog out. Either that, or start getting a lot less picky.
	You may be a king or a lil' street sweeper, but sooner or later, you'll dance with the reaper!


Holben	Aug 3 2010, 01:30 AM Post #89
Rumbo a la Victoria Posts: 14,335 Group: Admin Member #220 Joined: Sep 18, 2009 Area of expertise: Xenobiology	Alloclaw Aug 2 2010, 01:23 PM There were actually cave heynas that lived in the frigid plains of Northern Europe....and bones show Cave Heyna predation on Wolves.... Wolves are screwed if Spotted Heynas adapt to the north..... Yeah, cave hyenas who had been adapted to the north for thousands of years. And spotted hyenas can't. Intermediary stages? Movement? Habitat? To reinforce my wolves-would-win statemement, here's an article from wikipedia. Quote: With the decline of grasslands 12,500 years ago, Europe experienced a massive loss of lowland habitats favoured by cave hyenas, and a corresponding increase in mixed woodlands. Cave hyenas, under these circumstances, would have been outcompeted by wolves and humans which were as much at home in forests as in open lands, and in highlands as in lowlands.
	Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea. "It is the old wound my king. It has never healed."


Ook	Aug 3 2010, 05:01 AM Post #90
not a Transhuman Posts: 2,933 Group: Members Member #282 Joined: Mar 10, 2010 Gender: Male	there were more hyena species in pleistocene europe



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